[Rumour] Backlund leaning towards not re-signing with Flames

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No way they retain on a contract for 6 years.

Agreed. It’s better to wait and see how the rebuild goes. Turn around could be quick and you can’t trade retained salary. If things go well you might be better off to trade an asset to get rid of the last few years

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Conroy thrown right into the fire pit, looking forward to see what he’s made of. This will be a good test

Bigger test than 99% of new GMs have to start with.

I feel for him. These players are total brats.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Matata

The NBA has already become a players league where a star player has a lot of control over where and when they play. It seems to work out for both the players and the league, star players want to play in big markets and big markets have the most profits. There really is no downside except for fans of the team that drafted them.

This right here.

The NHL has a big problem looming on the horizon as players use their leverage for purposes a
Other than dollars (because they are capped).

I don't have interest in a league that operates like the NBA in terms of fan/player/owner loyalty being completely absent.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Bigger test than 99% of new GMs have to start with.

I feel for him. These players are total brats.

But what an opportunity.

#1goalie prospect (yes its a goalie but wolf is good)
Coranato
Pelltier
Zary
Anderson
Weegar
Killington

Plus a great draft and a huge potential to trade 5-6 guys that all have real value

He is in a great spot to be competitive in 4 years. That's a great rebuild.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

But what an opportunity.

#1goalie prospect (yes its a goalie but wolf is good)
Coranato
Pelltier
Zary
Anderson
Weegar
Killington

Plus a great draft and a huge potential to trade 5-6 guys that all have real valuel

He is in a great spot to be competitive in 4 years. That's a great rebuild.

I pray he trades them for assets in This draft.

It's another '03 type year. You could have multiple future hall of famers in this crop.

Having two centers to deal in a market that's devoid of upcoming UFA centers is especially ideal.

[saillias]

Good, in my view it's the right time to move on and maximize value there anyway. That goes for the whole group of UFAs excluding Kylington, who's more of a wild card, and maybe Zadorov, who is an ideal bottom pairing defenseman.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Flames never voluntarily go into a rebuild. They have to be waterboarded into one and even then they go into it kicking and screaming looking for every way to rush it and not do it properly. Hopefully this changes.

Every team that embarks on a rebuild has their hand forced one way or another. Fans that imagine their favourite team will trade away all their +28-year-old players for nothing but picks and prospects are kind of delusional about how this actually works.

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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Bigger test than 99% of new GMs have to start with.

I feel for him. These players are total brats.

True, but hopefully this forces him to commit to a plan. If ownership backs him he can set himself up nicely to build for the long term.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Every team that embarks on a rebuild has their hand forced one way or another. Fans that imagine their favourite team will trade away all their +28-year-old players for nothing but picks and prospects are kind of delusional about how this actually works.

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Don't see any reason why teams wouldn't be frothing at the mouth for Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev at their current cap hits. It would be very easy to trade 5 or 6 of the 7 UFAs.

There no reason why that can't be how this teardown works, if they embrace it.

[Vinny01]

I have said this before about rebuilds but the clock starts to tick when you sign your young stars to the long term big money deals. For people stating Ottawa is rushing they have 7 years that Tkachuk signed for and already burned through 2. The Flames pushed their rebuild forward when Monahan and Gaudreau signed their deals and our window effectively closed when Gaudreau walked for nothing. Montreal has paid Suzuki and Caufield so how many more years will they be okay picking in the top 5? In a lot of cases your window is as long as those second contracts for your young stars.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Don't see any reason why teams wouldn't be frothing at the mouth for Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev at their current cap hits. It would be very easy to trade 5 or 6 of the 7 UFAs.

No, it really wouldn't because every NHL team is either 1) absolutely strapped for cap-space, or 2) already plodding through their own cycle of rebuilding. Any deal the Flames make for any of their pending UFAs in the off-season will require them to take players back.

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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Every team that embarks on a rebuild has their hand forced one way or another. Fans that imagine their favourite team will trade away all their +28-year-old players for nothing but picks and prospects are kind of delusional about how this actually works.

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Flames rarely ever sell guys before their expiration date to plan for the future. This is one of the rare times where yes, they should be selling all the guys who will not commit, especially after a gm change. Lets move on from the underachieving past, Lindy and Hanifin alone could set the Flames up nicely. Both these players showed little in moving the needle in the playoffs anyways. Neither are franchise players, same with Backlund. If they want out you wish them well and start the bidding

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it really wouldn't because every NHL team is either 1) absolutely strapped for cap-space, or 2) already plodding through their own cycle of rebuilding. Any deal the Flames make for any of their pending UFAs in the off-season will require them to take players back.

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we can retain salary because they are on the last year contract I'm sure cap strapped teams will be all in for that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have said this before about rebuilds but the clock starts to tick when you sign your young stars to the long term big money deals. For people stating Ottawa is rushing they have 7 years that Tkachuk signed for and already burned through 2. The Flames pushed their rebuild forward when Monahan and Gaudreau signed their deals and our window effectively closed when Gaudreau walked for nothing. Montreal has paid Suzuki and Caufield so how many more years will they be okay picking in the top 5? In a lot of cases your window is as long as those second contracts for your young stars.

Agreed, but this is what the new landscape looks like. I don't think any team at this stage of their cycle will be able to figure it out, and the only likely correction will come when the cap increases after the player's escrow loan is repaid. In the meantime, these teams like Ottawa and Montreal are stuck.

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[camm13]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it really wouldn't because every NHL team is either 1) absolutely strapped for cap-space, or 2) already plodding through their own cycle of rebuilding. Any deal the Flames make for any of their pending UFAs in the off-season will require them to take players back.

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Then the flames can eat some salary, take back a short term contract while picking up some draft picks in the process. $15M ~ in space, when Lindholm, Backlund, and Hanifin go.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it really wouldn't because every NHL team is either 1) absolutely strapped for cap-space, or 2) already plodding through their own cycle of rebuilding. Any deal the Flames make for any of their pending UFAs in the off-season will require them to take players back.

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It's kind of amazing how many posters complain about Calgary's cap problems and it's timing in the rebuild process (which they do have) and ignore the fact that other teams all have their own issues.

All of these players are most valuable to either up and comers or teams which are trying to hang on another year. All those teams have good players who are either being paid or are about to be paid. They are often in the same boat as Calgary. And their draft picks, even in a deep draft, are not going to be in great position.

These guys are valuable and can be traded for good returns. But it's not the easy job people are making it out to be.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's kind of amazing how many posters complain about Calgary's cap problems and it's timing in the rebuild process (which they do have) and ignore the fact that other teams all have their own issues.

All of these players are most valuable to either up and comers or teams which are trying to hang on another year. All those teams have good players who are either being paid or are about to be paid. They are often in the same boat as Calgary. And their draft picks, even in a deep draft, are not going to be in great position.

These guys are valuable and can be traded for good returns. But it's not the easy job people are making it out to be.

Exactly, which is why I think the team can probably move one or maybe two of them now, but almost certainly not four or more like many posters want.

[Kolsch]

Originally Posted by curves2000

You wouldn't hear someone say "A lot of my top customers at my restaurant don't want to pay and eat here so what a great chance to try new menu ideas"

I actually think this is exactly what the newly hired GM of a restaurant looking to rediscover success should say. Menu items have become tired and staff has lost enthusiasm. Time for a rebrand!

New head chef, new menu items, possibly move to a new building for your restaurant as the old one was becoming outdated.

Additional turnover of old staff is to be expected because they have been mired in the old negative culture for too long to see through to the new exciting possibilities. All that time spent in the negative culture had them day dreaming about working at other restaurants. In their minds, they have already left to other destinations long ago, so the road to leave is too difficult to turn away from.

No guarantee the new restaurant is a success, though. The owner has not miraculously had a change in philosophy, but instead been forced into much of this change. Will he embrace the change and have the patience to accept a slow new beginning or will he rely on the rebrand and his old tricks and gimmicks to bring in staff and patrons that will quickly realize that the rebrand is a mirage.

Stay tuned for the next episode of "Kitchen in Flames"

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Southside403

we can retain salary because they are on the last year contract I'm sure cap strapped teams will be all in for that.

Originally Posted by camm13

Then the flames can eat some salary, take back a short term contract while picking up some draft picks in the process. $15M ~ in space, when Lindholm, Backlund, and Hanifin go.

Do you really think so? I very much doubt it because any team making these trades will be prioritising a long term commitment. The reason the Tkachuk trade worked out like it did is because Florida was already committed to a long term commitment, which is also the reason why they needed to clear salary in order to acquire him in the first place.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Bigger test than 99% of new GMs have to start with.

I feel for him. These players are total brats.

Why are they Brats? Pretty much anyone who is near the top of their profession can pick and choose where they work and for who.

I’d call BS oben anyone who claims they would not move to a better opportunity, solely based on loyalty (unless maybe a Family company or similar).

Based on the CBA, the have earned their right to choose