Pentagon releases UFO videos

[karl262]

One thing that makes me think its real are deathbed confessions, maybe most notably Jesse Marcel. He's the guy from the roswell weather balloon photos.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by karl262

One thing that makes me think its real are deathbed confessions, maybe most notably Jesse Marcel. He's the guy from the roswell weather balloon photos.

The comments by Ben Rich, former Director of Skunk Works not long before he passed, always made me curious.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

And 4chan cancer guy!

I kid, but I'm going to look into that guy's confessions. I'm intrigued.

[Enoch Root]

Death bed confessions certainly imply belief in what they are confessing. But that is not the same as fact.

[karl262]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Death bed confessions certainly imply belief in what they are confessing. But that is not the same as fact.

For sure, I just find the timing intriguing, as if they are at the end and need to get something off their chest. There's an elegant truth to it that's only possible in those moments.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by karl262

For sure, I just find the timing intriguing, as if they are at the end and need to get something off their chest. There's an elegant truth to it that's only possible in those moments.

Or a last opportunity to #### with people without consequence to yourself.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Did Trump make a SOTU about aliens?

No. Neither did Biden. The question YOU asked was "If Biden had a SOTU address and told the world aliens exist, would that convince you that they did, and if not, why not?" So MY question for you is exactly the same, except I substituted Trump for Biden.

If the President couldn't possibly be mistaken, or lie, about such a thing, then Trump, being a President, would be equally believable as Biden. That is your claim, that the President should be believed, even if he presented no evidence.

Do you get how this works? Is this microphone on?

PS: This question is absurd on another level, as evidence would be presented to support such a claim, or else it wouldn't be made. It's not Jerry the gas station attendant holding forth on his personal opinion, it's the planet's most powerful politician making carefully considered statements that will have profound effects on the world.

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sorry, can't see the POTUS lying about NHI on purpose.

Ah, the "argument from incredulity" fallacy.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by jammies

PS: This question is absurd on another level, as evidence would be presented to support such a claim, or else it wouldn't be made. It's not Jerry the gas station attendant holding forth on his personal opinion, it's the planet's most powerful politician making carefully considered statements that will have profound effects on the world.

Exactly! Thank you! Someone gets it!

Also topical - careful parents, your kids might start liking the idea of disclosure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1669435541501235207

[jammies]

Originally Posted by karl262

For sure, I just find the timing intriguing, as if they are at the end and need to get something off their chest. There's an elegant truth to it that's only possible in those moments.

I can see myself trolling the world on my deathbed just to enjoy my final moments thinking about the chaos I leave behind.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by troutman

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Lazar



https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/...ctive-of-2018/

Apparently that's part of his story. Claims his employment and school records were removed after he came out with his story, but they found phone book records and classmates that confirm his history there. He also had intimate knowledge of those places.

What's the truth? I'm not sure.

But Wikipedia doesn't seem like the best source either, lol.

Alleged prostitute ring involvement? Lol well what notable figure Hasn't been involved into a prostitute ring, amirite? I'm not sure how that's even relevant to his credibility though. Seems like frosting added on top just to smear the guy. That's just funny.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Exactly! Thank you! Someone gets it!

Also topical - careful parents, your kids might start liking the idea of disclosure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1669435541501235207

But in that case it means that were a President to do it without evidence they must be lying.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by GGG

But in that case it means that were a President to do it without evidence they must be lying.

No, no, Ozy asked if we'd believe the President without him presenting evidence, whereas I said he'd present evidence before making such a claim, so now Ozy is saying that he was correct all along. You're using logic incorrectly by expecting consistency between statements.

[Ozy_Flame]

The public can be informed of NHI, evidence can exist and the evidence can also be withheld from the public for national security reasons. All of this can be true.

Also doesn't really matter who is President. the administration would make the statement, and most likely in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Security Council and and the Homeland Security Council. The President would just be the mouthpiece. I doubt very much the President could get in front of the camera and state these kinds of things without unanimous agreement across the board on national security matters like this. The entire administration rapidly destabilizes if any one person or group went into business for themselves - hoax or otherwise.

I don't think the President would present evidence before making such a claim. It would be more of a diplomatic message, and probably in the form this being the "first step in the process". Evidence would eventually come, but not at the pace the nuts and bolts crowd would like (such as some intrepid posters here). I think that comes afterwards. Would be awesome if he trotted out the evidence in an SOTU though. Either way, I'd probably believe it.

[The Fonz]

It seems like you expect this to happen in our lifetimes?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The public can be informed of NHI, evidence can exist and the evidence can also be withheld from the public for national security reasons. All of this can be true.

Also doesn't really matter who is President. the administration would make the statement, and most likely in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Security Council and and the Homeland Security Council. The President would just be the mouthpiece. I doubt very much the President could get in front of the camera and state these kinds of things without unanimous agreement across the board on national security matters like this. The entire administration rapidly destabilizes if any one person or group went into business for themselves - hoax or otherwise.

I don't think the President would present evidence before making such a claim. It would be more of a diplomatic message, and probably in the form this being the "first step in the process". Evidence would eventually come, but not at the pace the nuts and bolts crowd would like (such as some intrepid posters here). I think that comes afterwards. Would be awesome if he trotted out the evidence in an SOTU though. Either way, I'd probably believe it.

That’s only because you want to believe that the specific conclusion is true, instead of simply wanting the truth.

You wouldn’t believe anything a President says. No way. Even things far more believable than aliens.

[Ozy_Flame]

Fonz - Actually, yes I do. But what that is is hard to discern.

Disclosure can mean a lot of things. What we do have now is more legislation in place for people to confidently come forward, more willingness by Congress to have hearings on the issue (both private and public), and more research programs dedicated to scientific rigor (AARO, Galileo Project, etc.).

And just like when Biden announced the first images of the James Webb telescope, the President will likely announce the first microbial life found on other planets, as well as any advanced NHI that might be interacting with us as a result of our scientific pursuits. And it won't be some partisan gaslighting; it will likely be one of the few things that receives bipartisan support as we are already seeing in U.S. politics.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

It seems like you expect this to happen in our lifetimes?

It sounds like he thinks it's going to happen on Monday!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Fonz - Actually, yes I do. But what that is is hard to discern.

Disclosure can mean a lot of things. What we do have now is more legislation in place for people to confidently come forward, more willingness by Congress to have hearings on the issue (both private and public), and more research programs dedicated to scientific rigor (AARO, Galileo Project, etc.).

And just like when Biden announced the first images of the James Webb telescope, the President will likely announce the first microbial life found on other planets, as well as any advanced NHI that might be interacting with us as a result of our scientific pursuits. And it won't be some partisan gaslighting; it will likely be one of the few things that receives bipartisan support as we are already seeing in U.S. politics.

Microbial life on mars will come through the scientific community with tonnes of peer review and data available. Just like the Data from the James Webb telescope.

Do you have an example of a significant announcement that didn’t occur in real time that didn’t come with evidence?

I’d suspect that any conclusions on NHI would have significant non classified and classified evidence being distributed to various governments and media world wide. There is no announcement without disclosure of evidence.

[karl262]

Originally Posted by jammies

I can see myself trolling the world on my deathbed just to enjoy my final moments thinking about the chaos I leave behind.

But do you think that's what Jesse Marcel was doing?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by karl262

But do you think that's what Jesse Marcel was doing?

I think Marcel is about as primary of a witness as you can get and probably had some truths to get off his chest. Death bed confessions by normal, regular people are pretty common. These people use their final moments to admit or confirm their love for others, slag on how much they hate their family/friends, lament their regrets in life, relationship with religion, crimes they've committed, and so forth. It would stand to reason UFO encounters are topics one might need to get off their chests, like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders. And I'd imagine if they were told to keep quite about it - especially in Marcel's days when a military gag order was taken extremely seriously - they'd wait until the last moments to say anything.