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Old 06-18-2023, 08:16 PM   #1101
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I can “almost” guarantee the housing shortage has zero affect (effect?) on the LRT “crackheads”

With respect , some of you are delusional
You don’t think housing price has any relationship to drug dependencey?

I’m not sure how to parse out the high housing price leads to more housing insecurity leading to poorer childhood outcomes and homelessness and leads to more negative outcomes such as drug addictions

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The weather is nice in many of these cities which makes it easier to be homeless.

I think it’s naive to say that housing has zero affect. And certainly if we can expand it to poverty you pretty much can show that people from impoverished upbringing have higher rates of drug dependency. More difficult would be to prove correlation or causation.
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Old 06-18-2023, 08:34 PM   #1102
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I can “almost” guarantee the housing shortage has zero affect (effect?) on the LRT “crackheads”

With respect , some of you are delusional
When I grew up in Calgary in the 80s, if you were low income you could find a house that EI/welfare/CPP would cover the cost of rent, and maybe you could even buy. If you were desperate, you could find rooms to rent for $200ish/month. There were entire developments full of low income people. I remember doing landscaping work at a townhouse complex in Queensland with nothing but low income housing.

Now that's simply not possible and that low income housing doesn't exist. A lot of these people who were semi employable could get by and still stay off the streets. If you were a roofer, you could work for a few weeks, get your paycheck, bounce, have enough cash for a serious bender, and still maintain a roof over your head. Now it's one slip up, and you aren't coming back.
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We should just go back to whatever we were doing ten years ago.
I don't know the answer to this question, but I wonder, were we doing things differently 10 years ago, or are things just different from what they were 10 years ago? Are there more people living on the street? Are the available drugs worse? Are there fewer support options available?
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Old 06-19-2023, 12:30 AM   #1104
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When I grew up in Calgary in the 80s, if you were low income you could find a house that EI/welfare/CPP would cover the cost of rent, and maybe you could even buy. If you were desperate, you could find rooms to rent for $200ish/month. There were entire developments full of low income people. I remember doing landscaping work at a townhouse complex in Queensland with nothing but low income housing.

Now that's simply not possible and that low income housing doesn't exist. A lot of these people who were semi employable could get by and still stay off the streets. If you were a roofer, you could work for a few weeks, get your paycheck, bounce, have enough cash for a serious bender, and still maintain a roof over your head. Now it's one slip up, and you aren't coming back.
I don’t disagree.

I had posted a while back about less taxes for the lowest wage income earners to keep more of the money they earn in their pockets to help them pay for housing.

Some people seem to think that a few extra hundred here and there doesn’t help the low income people, and won’t move the needle on homelessness.

I disagree.

No doubt in my mind that every extra dollar for people on on the verge of homelessness would help.
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Is there a new drug out there which is basically turning people into zombies?

In the last little while, Ive noticed a bunch of downtrodden folks who are totally hunched over at a 90 degree angle at the waist, but somehow still standing, or slowly walking.

Or, they are bent over leaning against something.

I rode my bike into work downtown last week and had to go wide to dodge 3-4 of these characters between Fort Calgary and Stephen Ave.
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I noticed the same. Saw a guy standing up, but with his head resting on a construction barrier. I couldn't understand why he wasn't in a puddle on the ground like most drugged up people.
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Old 06-19-2023, 08:57 AM   #1107
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While I'm in the neighbourhood, more and more I'm onboard with insanely harsh penalties for high-ish level drug dealers (basically anyone not in it to pay back their own dealer/support their habit). Profiting off of this mass epidemic of misery is about as evil as it gets, and everyone partaking for their own gain is just human garbage.
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I don’t disagree.

I had posted a while back about less taxes for the lowest wage income earners to keep more of the money they earn in their pockets to help them pay for housing.

Some people seem to think that a few extra hundred here and there doesn’t help the low income people, and won’t move the needle on homelessness.

I disagree.

No doubt in my mind that every extra dollar for people on on the verge of homelessness would help.
It was already explained to you that the lowest wage income earners pay virtually nothing on tax anyway, and your only reason for supporting it was as an alternative to increasing taxation of wealthier individuals.
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Is there a new drug out there which is basically turning people into zombies?

In the last little while, Ive noticed a bunch of downtrodden folks who are totally hunched over at a 90 degree angle at the waist, but somehow still standing, or slowly walking.

Or, they are bent over leaning against something.

I rode my bike into work downtown last week and had to go wide to dodge 3-4 of these characters between Fort Calgary and Stephen Ave.
Xylazine? ("Tranq")

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Damn, I saw a kid like that last week, he was walking (well - more like shuffling) with his back curled over so far his face was pointed at the ground. I thought maybe he had some severe spinal issue, but now the tweaker-looking friend of his hanging out by his side makes more sense.
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I just moved back inner-city (Roxboro) after living in the burbs for 10 years. I used to live a couple blocks away in Mission before, so I'm very familiar with the area.

What's boggled my mind is the amount of in-your-face drug use that I see. In one month since moving back here I've probably seen 6-8 individuals sitting on a curb lighting up a crack pipe, in broad daylight and in public. I feel that's been a huge change since I last lived near downtown, as before I felt it was something that was being done in back alleys or corners and with some discretion...
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I saw 3 guys huddled together walking across the street at the mustard seed, all bent over at 90° angles. There used to be a time that I would have laughed at such a thing, instead I'm haunted by it.
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Is there a new drug out there which is basically turning people into zombies?

In the last little while, Ive noticed a bunch of downtrodden folks who are totally hunched over at a 90 degree angle at the waist, but somehow still standing, or slowly walking.

Or, they are bent over leaning against something.

I rode my bike into work downtown last week and had to go wide to dodge 3-4 of these characters between Fort Calgary and Stephen Ave.
Side effect of heroin as far as I know.
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Went to the comedian Jimmy Carr the other night and even he talked about the "hunchie hunchies" walking about.

WRT the main topic here, I ride the train every day, albeit the Blue Line from 69 to downtown, which might make somewhat of a difference. I see lots of homeless folks and people who I guess are drug addicts. But they really don't cause any problem other than for people who just don't like to see them. Not belligerent (certainly not like drunks after a game or during Stampede). They are just there.
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What's boggled my mind is the amount of in-your-face drug use that I see. In one month since moving back here I've probably seen 6-8 individuals sitting on a curb lighting up a crack pipe, in broad daylight and in public. I feel that's been a huge change since I last lived near downtown, as before I felt it was something that was being done in back alleys or corners and with some discretion...
I bike the downtown river pathway to work a few times a week. Never mind a few years ago, the amount of open drug use, and just general amount of hunched-over-zombie behaviour, on the pathways has gotten noticeably worse compared to even last summer/fall (yeah, I'm a fair weather cyclist!).
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Went to the comedian Jimmy Carr the other night and even he talked about the "hunchie hunchies" walking about.

WRT the main topic here, I ride the train every day, albeit the Blue Line from 69 to downtown, which might make somewhat of a difference. I see lots of homeless folks and people who I guess are drug addicts. But they really don't cause any problem other than for people who just don't like to see them. Not belligerent (certainly not like drunks after a game or during Stampede). They are just there.
I just don't see how you can't see how this is a problem.

Don't you realize it falls on multiple sober people to go around dealing with the zombies? They end up in ERs, they take paramedics away from other people, they are destructive to public property, they urinate, puke and defecate in random spots, they beg and steal to get money for their next fix, they don't contribute to society, they cause their families untold stress, etc. etc.

I get the live and let live idea, but these people are actively causing problems and expense for the rest of us. And my answer pretends there isn't a bunch of crime and violence attributable to their lifestyle and behaviour, which is another whole can of worms. Pretending this isn't an issue is ridiculous.
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Is there a new drug out there which is basically turning people into zombies?

In the last little while, Ive noticed a bunch of downtrodden folks who are totally hunched over at a 90 degree angle at the waist, but somehow still standing, or slowly walking.

Or, they are bent over leaning against something.

I rode my bike into work downtown last week and had to go wide to dodge 3-4 of these characters between Fort Calgary and Stephen Ave.
That's the dope fiend lean. That's been around forever.
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I don't know the answer to this question, but I wonder, were we doing things differently 10 years ago, or are things just different from what they were 10 years ago? Are there more people living on the street? Are the available drugs worse? Are there fewer support options available?
I got yelled and spit at by homeless people 20 years ago when I was taking public transit. Drug addicted homeless people have always been willing to yell at you/throw things at you/spit and punch at you.

There's just a ton more of them now because of opioids.
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Man around Whitehorn station it’s getting beyond ridiculous. Everyday I see school children and the elderly trying to just take the bus and the shelter is either full of zombies or there’s literally piles of trash everywhere. All around, fuxking junk strewn and makeshift camps and public infrastructure unusable for those actually paying for it.

Now the strip mall has had to put up these sound speakers blaring this god forsaken tone/beep to keep these losers from loitering around the goods/service entrances so now all these pedestrians get to extra aggravated as they walk in the middle of the street to avoid the scum.

Take alberta back? Nah ####ers, maybe we can take our cities back though, wouldn’t mind that one bit.
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There is a shanty on the East side of Deerfoot. If you're going Northbound, its right before you reach the Inglewood curling club/golf clubhouse. I noticed it because there is tons of garbage there.

Kinda looks like an outhouse actually. I applaud their effort in getting plywood over there.
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