[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[GreenLantern2814]

Hockey reporters not the same shape as the men they cover - film at 11.

What are we getting for Hanifin.

[expo2428]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

I’m done having this conversation.

You said that then proceed to post another 6 times. I think it might be you who lost all credibility by getting all our hopes up.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by expo2428

You said that then proceed to post another 6 times. I think it might be you who lost all credibility by getting all our hopes up.

Fair. Hard to hear. But fair

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Which was my original point. He was wrong, in fact way wrong on the Treliving crap. Which is what started this argument. I’m the idiot who just made a poor comment during said argument. But what I do believe in, is that credibility is a very broad term that applies to many things in all professions. Regardless, I was wrong to say what I said.

Which is why again, I will apologize for that comment. I should’ve been better and I’m sorry everyone.

But were Lebrun/Salim actually wrong? Maybe others will remember the beat by beat better, but it's either:

1. Flames were petty and wouldn't grant permission, Lebrun reports. Weeks pass. Dubas is not extended, but granted permission to talk to PIT. For any number of reasons, Flames change their minds and grant permission.

or

2. Lebrun reports something totally false (what does anyone have to gain from that lie?). CSEC's directory got hacked or something and they forgot how to contact local media for several weeks (and/or no local media inquire about the story)...and then eventually super CREDIBLE not-at-all-a-sycophant Eric Francis sets the record straight.


My money would be on a version a lot closer to #1...plenty of rumours of Murray being emotional/petty about other things in the past (e.g. Gaudreau)

[ben voyonsdonc]

I honestly don’t know why the Flames would block him from interviewing. They get so little out of doing that. The professional hockey world is so small that petty behaviour would almost certainly come back to bite them in the ass. I’m not saying that they didn’t do that but it seems so stupid.

I can definitely see them as wanting to make sure that he can’t be involved in the draft process because of the intel he had from the Flames. That is a perfectly valid request.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

But were Lebrun/Salim actually wrong? Maybe others will remember the beat by beat better, but it's either:

1. Flames were petty and wouldn't grant permission, Lebrun reports. Weeks pass. Dubas is not extended, but granted permission to talk to PIT. For any number of reasons, Flames change their minds and grant permission.

or

2. Lebrun reports something totally false (what does anyone have to gain from that lie?). CSEC's directory got hacked or something and they forgot how to contact local media for several weeks (and/or no local media inquire about the story)...and then eventually super CREDIBLE not-at-all-a-sycophant Eric Francis sets the record straight.


My money would be on a version a lot closer to #1...plenty of rumours of Murray being emotional/petty about other things in the past (e.g. Gaudreau)

Ya that’s fair. I just didn’t like the piling on attitude and narrative that was out there on many fronts in regards to the flames etc. In the end. Brad got a good job and we got a GM who deserves a shot I think.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I honestly don’t know why the Flames would block him from interviewing. They get so little out of doing that. The professional hockey world is so small that petty behaviour would almost certainly come back to bite them in the ass. I’m not saying that they didn’t do that but it seems so stupid.

I can definitely see them as wanting to make sure that he can’t be involved in the draft process because of the intel he had from the Flames. That is a perfectly valid request.

I agree with this. I think as an organization they were hurt. But I always said Brad can take interviews. Just has to be some parameters should he get a job. Which In the end is exactly what happened.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Welcome to summertime on CP!

Me on CP in summer:

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

But were Lebrun/Salim actually wrong? Maybe others will remember the beat by beat better, but it's either:

1. Flames were petty and wouldn't grant permission, Lebrun reports. Weeks pass. Dubas is not extended, but granted permission to talk to PIT. For any number of reasons, Flames change their minds and grant permission.

or

2. Lebrun reports something totally false (what does anyone have to gain from that lie?). CSEC's directory got hacked or something and they forgot how to contact local media for several weeks (and/or no local media inquire about the story)...and then eventually super CREDIBLE not-at-all-a-sycophant Eric Francis sets the record straight.


My money would be on a version a lot closer to #1...plenty of rumours of Murray being emotional/petty about other things in the past (e.g. Gaudreau)

The problem with this framing is the idea in#1 that the Flames were petty in denying permission. I don’t think anyone is arguing that they with held permission, but that it was that the organization was acting like a bunch of babies and did something unprecedented. I think a more accurate description is that they didn’t provide permission because the guy wasn’t fired and was still under contract. Argue the merits of that position as you wish, but I think it disingenuous to suggest it was a question of factual reporting on the permission aspect.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I honestly don’t know why the Flames would block him from interviewing. They get so little out of doing that. The professional hockey world is so small that petty behaviour would almost certainly come back to bite them in the ass. I’m not saying that they didn’t do that but it seems so stupid.

I can definitely see them as wanting to make sure that he can’t be involved in the draft process because of the intel he had from the Flames. That is a perfectly valid request.

Which is why they would have had the story corrected if the initial reporting was actually wrong.

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Ya that’s fair. I just didn’t like the piling on attitude and narrative that was out there on many fronts in regards to the flames etc. In the end. Brad got a good job and we got a GM who deserves a shot I think.

So where is the lost credibility? The facts he reported were likely true. It's fair to quibble that the fact that it is uncommon for teams to deny permission isn't really apples to apples to the unique specifics of this situation, but it's also not irrelevant. At some point the reader has to use their own brain to decide what the ~280 characters of info we get really means...you can not like it and disagree to some degree, but that doesn't mean the reporter has no credibility.

Every story in every news report is probably about 75% accurate. It's the nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The problem with this framing is the idea in#1 that the Flames were petty in denying permission. I don’t think anyone is arguing that they with held permission, but that it was that the organization was acting like a bunch of babies and did something unprecedented. I think a more accurate description is that they didn’t provide permission because the guy wasn’t fired and was still under contract. Argue the merits of that position as you wish, but I think it disingenuous to suggest it was a question of factual reporting on the permission aspect.

That's exactly what Grade 10 Ricky over here has been arguing. Your viewpoint is totally valid.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Wouldn't be surprised to see him eventually in in Leafs silks. I think a few of our UFA's will end up signing there. Bradley factor

I read a Leafs blog (by accident) this morning, and they called Hanafin a borderline #1 offensive defensman, better than Morgan Rielly, and the Leafs should make him a priority target.

Then went on to say that a late first and a couple of B prospects should get it done. Toronto players who are still in the embryonic stage are still better than Calgary's best players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I read a Leafs blog (by accident) this morning, and they called Hanafin a borderline #1 offensive defensman, better than Morgan Rielly, and the Leafs should make him a priority target.

Then went on to say that a late first and a couple of B prospects should get it done. Toronto players who are still in the embryonic stage are still better than Calgary's best players.

If they truly think the first part is true (and it's debatable), it will certainly cost more.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I read a Leafs blog (by accident) this morning, and they called Hanafin a borderline #1 offensive defensman, better than Morgan Rielly, and the Leafs should make him a priority target.

Then went on to say that a late first and a couple of B prospects should get it done. Toronto players who are still in the embryonic stage are still better than Calgary's best players.

A Leafs fan I know thinks Liljegren would be too much to give up for Hanifin

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Bonded

A Leafs fan I know thinks Liljegren would be too much to give up for Hanifin

Lol if Conroy traded Hanifin for Liljegren one for one, he should be fired immediately.

[activeStick]

Fan blogs are the worst... Saw a Canucks one proposing Garland, Hoglander, 1st, two 3rds and a 4th for Hanifin

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Fan blogs are the worst... Saw a Canucks one proposing Garland, Hoglander, 1st, two 3rds and a 4th for Hanifin

Or the ARZ one for Huberdeau:
And I quote "Huberdeau, Kylington, Phillips rights and 16 oa for 12 oa and a 23 3rd."

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Bradley factor? Lol.

I'd buy into the McDavid factor before that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Or the ARZ one for Huberdeau:
And I quote "Huberdeau, Kylington, Phillips rights and 16 oa for 12 oa and a 23 3rd."

If the Flames wanted to do a tear down rebuild I don’t actually hate it lol.

[Blaster86]

Not sure I've read the expectations but Noah should get a high pick and some nice throw ins pretty easily

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If the Flames wanted to do a tear down rebuild I don’t actually hate it lol.

I hope you missed some of the details…

Huberdeau, Kylington, Phillips
To move up four spots in the 1st round and a 3rd round pick??

Good grief that is bad