Anybody play Hold 'Em?

[Neeper]

Originally posted by evman150+Dec 23 2004, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (evman150 @ Dec 23 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Neeper@Dec 23 2004, 04:38 PM
Evman - You missed the point. You said K7s but I will assume you are talking about KJs. That chart is based on random hands, in a no fold em hold em game. I agree that AKo is a good hand in a normal game, but if you were playing in a no fold em hold em (pure drawing game, which really doesn't exist), you will win more often with KJs as it is suggested in the chart. How could you dispute that when it's mathematics?

Now if you ask me.. in a normal type game at the casino, I would take AKo over KJs. But if I was playing for fun in a game where no one folded, then I would take KJs. AKo is a sucker hand in a game where everyone calls to the river. You will almost always get outdrawn. All said though, I still do not like AKo that much. I feel it gives you too much false security.

But who plays in a game like that?

I sure don't.

That's like saying the best strategy for goaltending is lying down on the ice because peewees can't get the puck up. [/b][/quote]
You're right, no one plays like that. But we were debating about the chart and why KJs is ranked above AKo. Like I said I would rather take AKo anyday in a game against people. The chart merely shows people what hands win the most in a controlled environment. You and I both know Poker is never a controlled environment, so it would be impossible to make any kind of chart. This "no fold em" is the only way to make a chart to help people see which hands are most likely to win.

[evman150]

Originally posted by Neeper+Dec 23 2004, 04:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neeper @ Dec 23 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

But who plays in a game like that?

I sure don't.

That's like saying the best strategy for goaltending is lying down on the ice because peewees can't get the puck up.

You're right, no one plays like that. But we were debating about the chart and why KJs is ranked above AKo. Like I said I would rather take AKo anyday in a game against people. The chart merely shows people what hands win the most in a controlled environment. You and I both know Poker is never a controlled environment, so it would be impossible to make any kind of chart. This "no fold em" is the only way to make a chart to help people see which hands are most likely to win. [/b][/quote]
But what use is a bunk list to a beginner?

That list is nothing but trouble for a beginning poker player.

Really the only way to learn what hands are good and which aren't and which ones win big or win small or win less or more often is to PLAY.

[Neeper]

Originally posted by evman150@Dec 23 2004, 05:56 PM
Really the only way to learn what hands are good and which aren't and which ones win big or win small or win less or more often is to PLAY.

Agreed 100%. Playing is the only way to get better. But at least with that chart they now know that KJs has a better chance to win with 84o. Of course we'd have to assume they were a beginner beginner, and didn't know sh*t.

[Ro]

Originally posted by Neeper@Dec 22 2004, 05:40 PM
Oh my god... Phil's book is junk. Okay, maybe not junk. But it is a decent book to start off reading though. But there are tons of strategies in there I disagree with though. I think raising with pocket 7 is not a very good thing to do. You'll lose more than you'll win. But there are so many factors to consider. I recommend books by David Sklansky and Mike Caro. Those guys the awesome writers. Phil Helmuth is the biggest baby on the Poker circuit.

Well, no offense, but obviously I disagree with you. In a big way.

That said, you're probably a better poker player than I am, and perhaps Phil's book is catered to the novice-intermediate crowd more than the expert.

I like it because it's easy to understand and follow, and although there's not a whack of information, what is there is strategically sound. To disparage Hellmuth is fine. But to discard the lessons tought in the book because you don't agree with playign 77 or 99 doesn't sound very logical to me.

That play has more to do with figuring out your opponent's hand more than anything else, if I understood correctly. That is one aspect of NLH that I was not good at, and this book has helped me big time in thatdep't. Also, the sections about what types of players you're up against (jackal, elephant, mouse, etc.) have been good for me.

Actually, now that I re-read your post, maybe we're saying the same thing. lol Bottom line for me, is that I was losing money before I read the book, and after reading the NLH chapters, I'm up over 400 USD playing no limit at the $50 buy-in tables at party poker.

[The Fonz]

I play hold 'em online all the time. Absolute Poker and Tiger Gaming are really good online downloads.

I've never read the book you're talking about, but I did just get the Texas Hold 'Em Poker Bible, and it's sweet.

[evman150]

Originally posted by The Fonz@Dec 26 2004, 08:31 PM
I play hold 'em online all the time. Absolute Poker and Tiger Gaming are really good online downloads.

I've never read the book you're talking about, but I did just get the Texas Hold 'Em Poker Bible, and it's sweet.

Tiger doesn't have enough traffic to warrant playing there. The software is kind of slow too. Absolute is okay, but I have heard many complaints that the software is a real resource hog, though I had no problems with it. Pretty ugly interface at Absolute though, very very busy. Did my promotion there, won 300 bucks in four hours and peaced out of there ASAP. Although I was very pleased with how fast the money got withdrawn to my neteller account. Only took about two days, as opposed to a week or more for some sites.

This is how I would rank sites taking into account overall quality, fish factor, interface and traffic. (Of the sites I've played)

1. Party - So many fish, huge traffic, fast software, ugly interface.
2. Ultimate Bet - Large traffic, decently fast software, pretty tough competition, nice interface.
3. Absolute - Bad traffic, slow software, laggy, bad players.
4. Tiger - Nice enough interface, mediocre software speed, very little traffic, terrible players.
5. Pacific - Bad players, terrible dated software, very slow, many report numerous disconnects, only limit ring games (Definitely a big minus for a player like me). This is also the only site that allows only one table open at a time.

[Tron_fdc]

So I'm watching some no limit right now, and I gotta ask....what's up with the cheezy shades? Is it a pre-requisite to wear mirror glasses or something? There's actually a guy wearing reading glasses overtop his iridium Oakley razorblades...

[Bill Bumface]

After reading this thread all last week I won a 7 person tournament today

Coincedence? Most likely

[Neeper]

Originally posted by hulkrogan@Dec 29 2004, 02:11 AM
After reading this thread all last week I won a 7 person tournament today

Coincedence? Most likely

Congrats!! That's awesome. What do you think you did differently to win?

[InTheSlot]

The brilliance of No Limit Hold 'Em is that there is no definitive "right" way to play. Sure there are downright stupid ways to play, but there are no truely right ways to play. Everyone has their own strategy, and rightfully so since the game is so subjective.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Neeper+Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neeper @ Dec 29 2004, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hulkrogan@Dec 29 2004, 02:11 AM
After reading this thread all last week I won a 7 person tournament today

Coincedence? Most likely

Congrats!! That's awesome. What do you think you did differently to win? [/b][/quote]
Sorry for being thread Jesus here..

But the biggest thing was realizing what cards to fold pre-flop. I was holding on too long too many times. Especially when playing in larger games, not realizing enough that the winning hand is on average alot better than when you get down to 3 people remaining.

[InTheSlot]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+Jan 4 2005, 09:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ Jan 4 2005, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Congrats!! That's awesome. What do you think you did differently to win?

Sorry for being thread Jesus here..

But the biggest thing was realizing what cards to fold pre-flop. I was holding on too long too many times. Especially when playing in larger games, not realizing enough that the winning hand is on average alot better than when you get down to 3 people remaining. [/b][/quote]
Um...actually...

When you're down to about 3 people in a large tournament, more often than not the winning hand turns out to be pure sh*t. Since there's only 3 people left, chances are it'll only be you and one other guy fighting for the pot, which makes the odds of someone having a monster hand that much worse. It begins quite the bluffing game with 3 people, and in heads-up. (1on1)

[Jiggy_12]

Originally posted by InTheSlot+Jan 4 2005, 09:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (InTheSlot @ Jan 4 2005, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Sorry for being thread Jesus here..

But the biggest thing was realizing what cards to fold pre-flop. I was holding on too long too many times. Especially when playing in larger games, not realizing enough that the winning hand is on average alot better than when you get down to 3 people remaining.

Um...actually...

When you're down to about 3 people in a large tournament, more often than not the winning hand turns out to be pure sh*t. Since there's only 3 people left, chances are it'll only be you and one other guy fighting for the pot, which makes the odds of someone having a monster hand that much worse. It begins quite the bluffing game with 3 people, and in heads-up. (1on1) [/b][/quote]
That's what he said

[Neeper]

Almost any hand is playable when you get down to 3 people or less. It becomes a bluffing game and a drawing game.

[InTheSlot]

Originally posted by Jiggy_12+Jan 4 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jiggy_12 @ Jan 4 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Um...actually...

When you're down to about 3 people in a large tournament, more often than not the winning hand turns out to be pure sh*t. Since there's only 3 people left, chances are it'll only be you and one other guy fighting for the pot, which makes the odds of someone having a monster hand that much worse. It begins quite the bluffing game with 3 people, and in heads-up. (1on1)

That's what he said [/b][/quote]
Yeah....whoops.

I must've been tired when I first read that, because I thought he was saying the opposite. :/

[InTheSlot]

A friend of mine and I just launched a new poker community called YouGotBluffed.

As a registered member of YGB, you are able to participate in forum discussions as well as weekly private poker tournaments. Also, because we are affiliated with many of today's top online poker websites, if you sign-up through our site, you may be eligible to receive a higher deposit bonus, as well as special promotional gifts and merchandise directly from us.


The private tournaments we are going to be holding include monthly freerolls with a prize pool of $50 (straight out of our own pockets) as well as a prize for those people who place 1st 2nd and 3rd in the overall winnings standings.


So...if you like poker, please come join us. We'd love to have you sign-up through one of our affiliate links, but we'd just like to have you as a contributing member of the community as well.

[Tron_fdc]

I got raped over new years, in about 1/2 an hour. I was only playing hands that I knew I could win, hoping I could set up all my friends for the big bluff. A few hands after winning a pile of money, I went all in against a buddy, who met my wager and skooled me sumthin fierce.

My lifetime losses in poker now stand at $5.

[InTheSlot]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Jan 20 2005, 12:01 PM
I got raped over new years, in about 1/2 an hour. I was only playing hands that I knew I could win, hoping I could set up all my friends for the big bluff. A few hands after winning a pile of money, I went all in against a buddy, who met my wager and skooled me sumthin fierce.

My lifetime losses in poker now stand at $5.

Haha...well what was the hand you lost with, and what did you lose to?

[BlackEleven]

Originally posted by InTheSlot@Jan 20 2005, 02:49 PM
A friend of mine and I just launched a new poker community called YouGotBluffed.

As a registered member of YGB, you are able to participate in forum discussions as well as weekly private poker tournaments. Also, because we are affiliated with many of today's top online poker websites, if you sign-up through our site, you may be eligible to receive a higher deposit bonus, as well as special promotional gifts and merchandise directly from us.


The private tournaments we are going to be holding include monthly freerolls with a prize pool of $50 (straight out of our own pockets) as well as a prize for those people who place 1st 2nd and 3rd in the overall winnings standings.


So...if you like poker, please come join us. We'd love to have you sign-up through one of our affiliate links, but we'd just like to have you as a contributing member of the community as well.

That's a nice looking site. Doesn't seem to be much content yet, but that'll probably come with time. Do you post on RGP? or 2+2?

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by InTheSlot+Jan 20 2005, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (InTheSlot @ Jan 20 2005, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Jan 20 2005, 12:01 PM
I got raped over new years, in about 1/2 an hour. I was only playing hands that I knew I could win, hoping I could set up all my friends for the big bluff. A few hands after winning a pile of money, I went all in against a buddy, who met my wager and skooled me sumthin fierce.

My lifetime losses in poker now stand at $5.

Haha...well what was the hand you lost with, and what did you lose to? [/b][/quote]
It was something pretty ridiculous.....an unsuited 6-8 I believe.

I was pretty impaired at the time though.