[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Poe969]

I dont like it, he all but said he wanted to leave before and now is "open to staying"? He hasn't said he wants to stay and be part of the solution, just that he is open to it.

The Flames need to take advantage of situations when they can. They need to get more players like Lindholm, but when they traded for him. They need to get young players that play better than they're paid, not keep players as they get older and pay them better than they play.

Trade Lindholm, Hanifin, and Backlund at the draft. Protect Tanev l, rest him and make sure he's healthy for the deadline. Keep Toffoli and give him every opportunity to put up points and then shop him at the deadline too. Zadorov is someone I'd keep, he shouldn't command that much of a raise, and he has openly said he wants to be here.

They need to be open to trading anyone if it makes the team better long term because they aren't good enough now.

[traptor]

Flames should offer him 9x8, take it or leave it.

It's on the high side of fair but it's still reasonable for the flames.

If he doesn't accept that it's obvious his priority isn't to stay and win in a flames jersey.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly I struggle with what to believe at this point and really feels like people covering there bases, some of it could be negotiating tactics too.

In the last week I've heard that all of Hanifin, Lindholm, and Toffoli want or don't want to be here depending on the sources, and that the Flames are being aggressive on either re-signing them or shopping them.

I think it’s just generating leverage.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Monahan doesn’t qualify for a bonus unless you mean signing bonus. But I’d take a chance and not be shy about LTIR if it’s necessary.

Most of Treliving’s moves last couple years made sense in some fashion. But moving Monahan with a first to get cap room (for Kadri(!)) when he could have just been more aggressive with LTIR made no sense to me.

Completely agree. I can see that the intention was to capitalize on Huby and Weegar's sweetheart deals last season and to let the full team build from day 1 of training camp, but obviously that involved the risk of what happened.

I always figured Monahan may/may not be a part of a playoff push, but that 1st could have been better used to fill a specific need at TDL (or not used at all in a bad season).

Only silver lining is that Monahan didn't end up fetching a return at TDL (though it sucks for him), as it would've sucked to add another pick/prospect to the ledger on the Kadri deal.

[Naitix]

I would not give Lindholm more than 8x8

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by traptor

Flames should offer him 9x8, take it or leave it.

It's on the high side of fair but it's still reasonable for the flames.

If he doesn't accept that it's obvious his priority isn't to stay and win in a flames jersey.

9M? Hard pass

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

9M? Hard pass

He is at least 8.75. Why’d he take a discount to Horvat

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I dont like it, he all but said he wanted to leave before and now is "open to staying"? He hasn't said he wants to stay and be part of the solution, just that he is open to it...

Did I miss somewhere where we heard directly from Lindholm? All that has been reported today is a third-hand account of his interest. We can't know much of anything beyond that.

They need to be open to trading anyone if it makes the team better long term because they aren't good enough now.

I will say again that too many people are writing this team off prematurely. If Lindholm is here in October, I see no reason why the Flames shouldn't be competing for a Division playoff spot.

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[MrMike]

It’s what all players say when they’re okay with being over paid to stay somewhere. If Sutter was still here it would be a “no amount of money can keep me” situation.

Move him for youth, futures, picks and cap space.

[memphusk]

I really do like Lindholm but Treliving put the team in this spot. If you can magically rid of Huberdeau or Kadri then no real issue but thats not happening.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He is at least 8.75. Why’d he take a discount to Horvat

To secure $65M+ before having to suit up for full contact hockey.

Not saying it would be a big discount, but extending early eliminates risk.

[MrMike]

Look at Carolina and moving Brett Pesce because his contract is not going to fit into what they want to do. Get assets and keep moving youth into the organization and eventually it’s just a perpetual machine of having cheap youth replacements to subsidize your cap.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Look at Carolina and moving Brett Pesce because his contract is not going to fit into what they want to do. Get assets and keep moving youth into the organization and eventually it’s just a perpetual machine of having cheap youth replacements to subsidize your cap.

Or you can try do it like Boston. Not worried one bit about Lindholm signing an 8 year deal at big money. It's the Kadri contract that upsets me. But really if the cap shoots up the way it''s being projected, there should still be cap space.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I just don't think that's wise to do, in light of the contracts already given out in Treliving's hubris. In three years this team is looking at a 33 year old Huberdeau, 35 year old Kadri, 32 year old Weegar, 34 year old Coleman, and 36 year old Markstrom for a combined $35 million, on top of whatever Lindholm is asking. Let's say, generously, that's a $43 million commitment to a core with an average age of 33.5, which is virtually untradeable for the duration of that time.

It's an incredible, and frankly unreasonable, risk to take for a core that has shown they're not even good enough to make the playoffs before they even start to decline.

I’m with you. I think they could do themselves such a service if they sold both Lindholm and Hanifin.

Adding two extra 1sts and four 2nds is exactly what this franchise needs, even if their idea is “win with Huberdeau.”

But I also except that someone has to play with Huberdeau and it can’t be Kadri.

Lindholm is the best option to do that long-term.

Get rid of Toffoli to make that work - if Lindholm is Backlund in 6 years making $8.5M, that’s fine.

They at least have to make an honest effort to keep him, optically.

[memphusk]

What is the cap projected to be at in the 25-26 season? And what will minimum wage be in the league at that point?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Look at Carolina and moving Brett Pesce because his contract is not going to fit into what they want to do. Get assets and keep moving youth into the organization and eventually it’s just a perpetual machine of having cheap youth replacements to subsidize your cap.

I agree for the most part.

But I do feel like Carolina is alot less reliant on pesce then we are on lindy.

The flames need determine the max theyre willing to give him, offer him that and if he doesn't want it you ship him out.

For me 9x8 seems reasonable.

Cap is projected in 24-25 to be around 88million.

9 million rounds to 9.77% of 88 million.


Horvats 8.5x8 is 9.76% of the 23-24 cap (83.5 million)

[Sylvanfan]

Vegas had a decent number of guys in the 31 to 33 range here. Not saying the Flames guys are as good. But if Huberdeau can regain some form, I don't think Lindholm and Weegar will be albatross types at 35 and the likes of Markstrom and Kadri will be expired by that time. We just saw a team with 6 guys over 30 playing key roles win. So having some players in the 30-35 range is not a certain sign of death.

I'd prefer the team get younger. But Lindholm is a really good player that will be hard to replace

[Vinny01]

Under the current circumstances I think the Flames should maximize the return on Lindholm and trade him. The last year of the flat cap and getting a top end player for $4.85M at 28 is massive value. With the cap going up next year there is a good chance most teams will be able to re-sign him.

The situation changes entirely if we could somehow get out from Kadri’s contract. If a team were willing to deal for him. Say Colorado offers Girard 1 for 1 we take that all day then absolutely give Lindholm 9x8. In the real world where the Flames are stuck with Kadri making $7M until he is 38 they can’t afford to pay Lindholm huge money for his age 37 season.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In the real world where the Flames are stuck with Kadri making $7M until he is 38 they can’t afford to pay Lindholm huge money for his age 37 season.

Kadri will be in year 3 of his contract when Lindholm starts his next one in what will be his age 30 season. So he'd be 35 in the last year of Kadris deal. Certainly not ideal, but by that time I think the league as a whole could be older at that time. There's 3 years of messed up player development in the feeder systems that's going to put a wrinkle in things.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What is the cap projected to be at in the 25-26 season? And what will minimum wage be in the league at that point?

League minimum will still be $775,000.


Under the new CBA, the cap can only rise $1 million per season until the players' escrow debt is paid off. After that, the new formula will kick in, which is to take the final HRR from 2 years prior, divide that number in half to get the players' share, divide that by 32 to get the per team "midpoint", then add 15% to calculate the cap and subtract 15% to get the floor.

For example, according to Bettman, league revenue in 2021-22 was $5.2 billion. Using that formula, next year's cap should be $93.4 million... but it will only be $83.5 million because the players' debt isn't fully paid off.

Also, the new CBA puts a limit on the year-over-year growth of the cap at 5%. This means it will take a few more years for the cap to catch up to the calculated amount and we can safely assume the cap will increase 5% per year for the foreseeable future after next season.


Unless the league and PA come to a last minute compromise, next year's cap will be $83.5. Then, if we assume 5% annual growth for the next two seasons, the 2024-25 cap will be $87.675 million and the 2025-26 cap will be $92.06 million.