I think the Flames should sacrifice next season

[GioforPM]

I understand the sentiment, but those trades are baaaad. And you have to realize you aren't sacrificng a season. More like 4.

[PepsiFree]

Hey guys has anyone brought up the idea of not just sacrificing one season, but rebuilding?

I’m sure I’m the first to think of rebuilding so I just want to bring it up and get it in there. I’ve never read a single word about why they wouldn’t rebuild right now so this is a new conversation.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't disagree with what you've posted, but if you think you can trade 7 UFA's to be in this market without taking any cap back, you are mistaken.

Yes cap is King, but that's because so few teams have any. To get maximum value in trading our players, we'll need to take back lots of bad contracts or teams won't be able to fit those players onto their team.

I assume you've talked with Murray and got his OK on tearing the team down?

I agree and those bad contracts will help fill out the roster.

Also some bad contracts get new opportunities and could turn it around and be deadline deals. I think back to taking a guy like Zucker back in a trade a few years ago. Zucker had a very good year last year.

Lucic was more effective here than Edmonton and could have been traded with salary retained if he had NMC

If you take short term bad contracts and play these guys they also could turn into picks

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Miracle seasons aside, Vegas/Edmonton/LA are taking the 3 division spots and Calgary is playing for a wild card. That doesn't mean tank or not try, but make management decisions from a sober view of where you are competitively...for once.

People are writing this team off way too prematurely. This is predominantly the same group that most picked to win the Division last year, who barely missed the playoffs on the back of utterly disasterous performances from their Vezina-nominated goaltender, and many of their most important players.

Let's wait and see what the team looks like to start the season before awarding playoff berths.


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[FlamesAddiction]

What happens will happen. Conroy isn't in the driver's seat here. If Lindholm needs to be traded, we aren't getting back a #1 center for him, nor are we getting one for any of the pending free agents that may also need to be traded.

The best case scenario IMO is that we can gather enough futures and can make additional trades to hopefully acquire the next "Lindholm" (young-ish player who needs an opportunity to pop) while still having enough future assets that they aren't mortgaging the future.

It could very well mean that the team needs to take a step back before it can move forward. I don't see that as sacrificing anything though, but rather investment.

[CSharp]

If the Flames don't sacrifice a season for McDavid and for Bedard, what makes you think they're gonna sacrifice a season for any other ordinary draft year? Flames will spend to cap to make the playoffs, especially with who they have currently on the team. Who knows, maybe it'll come down to the trading deadline before they decide to have a fire sale.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

I think CP should sacrifice this thread.

Yes, this should be in the trade speculation thread, doesn't need its own.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Sure, but in what dimension are you not making sure you're getting a 1st back in a Lindholm package?

Any 1st doesn't come with a good young player and Jarvis is a very good one, you want a 1st? It wont come till the trade deadline and it would be late 1st, by then the Flames are likely fighting for a PO spot and wouldn't have the balls to pull the trigger.

My dimension?

Jarvis + 2nd + massive cap space is far better than a long term signed 29 year old Lindholm.

Maybe I overrate Seth Jarvis but I think he's the next Braydon Point away from Carolina where he's buried behind Aho and Necas for quality minutes.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

This post is terrible

Amazing how many likes people can get here with just a flyby post, maybe next time explain the "terrible" and you might get even more.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

People are writing this team off way too prematurely. This is predominantly the same group that most picked to win the Division last year, who barely missed the playoffs on the back of utterly disasterous performances from their Vezina-nominated goaltender, and many of their most important players.

Let's wait and see what the team looks like to start the season before awarding playoff berths.


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If you wait until the season starts before making any decisions, you are over the cap, so some changes need to be made sooner regardless.

And what happens then?

If the Flames are playing well, do we simply walk the UFA’s to free agency?

[Geeoff]

I think it would be difficult to make this team bad enough to compete for the #1 pick.. LOL Kadri, Markstrom and Huberdeau will probably just put up great seasons to spite us if we tried.

[Vinny01]

I don’t think they need to sacrifice the season but more so just manage their assets appropriately. I felt like this was a failure of Treliving and our prospect base is fairly average but potentially could be on the the top pools in the league depending on how Conroy handles these pending UFA’s.

If the best deals on the table for Lindholm/Hanifin is futures based the Flames need to make those deals. More often than not when high end players are available young assets and cap space are the best assets a team can have. We saw it first hand 8 years ago when the Flames made a deal to land Hamilton with picks and had the space to give him a long term deal.

The Flames didn’t play well enough to keep all chips in the middle this season. They need to manage their assets accordingly to give them flexibility to remain competitive in the short and long term. It does mean that their roster next year on paper will be worse but not a bottom feeder. A new voice in Huska, a new style of play, bounce backs from Huby/Marky, injection of youth with Pelletier/Zary/Coronato/Wolf all pushing for spots could result in a similar or better season next year. Add some more pieces from these trades I am not convinced the Flames are screwed if they move some UFA’s.

[CaptainCrunch]

I hate this idea of sacrificing seasons or diving for so and so.


Ticket holder - "I'm excited for this season"
Hockey Team - "Yeah, we're going to rebuild. Trade all of our high end talented players for draft picks and cap space and replace them, with a team designed to lose and lose royally so we can have a chance to draft the next big thing, which isn't a guarantee that we'll get him let alone he develops".
Ticket holder - "Um ok, so your going to slash your payroll for a future team 3 years or more down the road"
Hockey team - "Yeah, think of the future potential, that should get you excited"
Ticket holder - "So your spending less, are you going to reduce your season ticket prices?"
Hockey team - "Nah, thing of the prof . . . um excitment"


People are paying a ton of money for a team, the team is obligated to put the best team on the ice possible, not design a team to lose and lose royally. I'm fine if a team wants to rebuild, but don't lie to the fans. As a sign of faith, cut the ticket prices relative to the reduction in payroll.

[Flamesfan05]

Sacrifice ?

Sound like the plan, probably why they went with a cheap option with Conroy and Huska

If Conroy does a good job, he may be around to see the fruit of his labor. I doubt Huska would survive a long rebuild

[MRCboicgy]

A year too late

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you wait until the season starts before making any decisions, you are over the cap, so some changes need to be made sooner regardless.

And what happens then?

If the Flames are playing well, do we simply walk the UFA’s to free agency?

I think only one change will be needed to be cap compliant. They are 1.25 under now. They need to bring in two or three of Pelletier/Zary/Duher, who make about $820-860K each. Even just trading Zadorov, the lowest paid of the pending UFAs does it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I’m also in favour of pregame blood sacrifices. I vote human. But a virile bill would suffice.

[Ashes]

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Flames are playing well, do we simply walk the UFA’s to free agency?

The top free agents, no. They have to be either signed or traded this summer. After what happened with Gaudreau they can't take that risk of not getting anything back.

But they don't need to sign or trade every single free agent this summer either. If they were to go past the deadline with say an unsigned Tanev and Zadorov because they're in a good spot I wouldn't be up in arms.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you wait until the season starts before making any decisions, you are over the cap, so some changes need to be made sooner regardless.



And what happens then?



If the Flames are playing well, do we simply walk the UFA’s to free agency?

Yeah, that is not at all what I am saying. Of course changes need to be made in the offseason, and there is an obvious trade-target or two which will need to be hit (Backlund, Tiffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev, Hanifin) in order to get there. My point is that this is very realistically a highly competitive team, that could and should challenge for a Divisional playoff spot in 2024. Even with the changes that need to occur, I see no reason not to expect the Flames to be much better this season than they were last season. That is all.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The top free agents, no. They have to be either signed or traded this summer. After what happened with Gaudreau they can't take that risk of not getting anything back.



But they don't need to sign or trade every single free agent this summer either. If they were to go past the deadline with say an unsigned Tanev and Zadorov because they're in a good spot I wouldn't be up in arms.

Exactly. The team needs to maximise their return on investments, but you cannot expect the Flames to enter the season with no pending UFAs on the roster. That is unrealistic. Hanifin and Lindholm are the big ones: they are either extending one and moving the other in the coming couple of months. The rest are of significantly lower concern heading into the season.

I personally feel that extending Lindholm and trading Hanifin is the best option.

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