[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think he was trying to save his job.
I think he was executing a plan with the constraints and objectives imposed on him by his boss.

And on paper it looked pretty good. I don't think he is the type of person that would have done things to damage the team long-term. But I think he was under pressure to replace players and get them signed. So he did his best to deliver on that.

That 1st part of your post sucks if true, as the boss is still the boss...

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think he was trying to save his job.
I think he was executing a plan with the constraints and objectives imposed on him by his boss.

And on paper it looked pretty good. I don't think he is the type of person that would have done things to damage the team long-term. But I think he was under pressure to replace players and get them signed. So he did his best to deliver on that.

If that’s true wouldn’t it stand to reason that Conroy has the same constraints in place? Guess we’ll know in two weeks

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

If that’s true wouldn’t it stand to reason that Conroy has the same constraints in place? Guess we’ll know in two weeks

Not entirely I don't think. In regards to Conroy having the same marching orders.
From what has been said by Conroy his vision that got him the job was to build through the draft. That's going to take some time. What I think he sold them is having a challenging team in time for the new arena.

Which lines up for a retool starting right now.

I also believe that what the owners wanted died when Gaudreau walked for nothing. And the Tkachuk trade was the last ditch attempt to get somewhere with what they currently have.

And if it's true that Lindholm wants put regardless of what the Flames do, then the organization really has no choice but really rely on build through the draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

If that’s true wouldn’t it stand to reason that Conroy has the same constraints in place? Guess we’ll know in two weeks

That's the rub yes.
What I'm hoping is that Conroy has outlined:
- That the team's past approach has caused them to lose valuable assets for nothing.
- Therefore the organization needs to alter its approach to how it deals with those situations including being more proactive
- Given the current make-up of the team, that likely means moving some of the many pending UFAs
- In doing so there may be an opportunity to get younger and re-build the asset base, to better position the team
- Overall the objective is to make the playoffs next year, but not at the expense of asset management.


Get buy-in for a change in approach focused on asset management, do not try to get buy-in for a "re-build".
Win the fight you can win, not try to win the one you can't.

[MrMike]

I wish they’d just build a team like Carolina. It isn’t hard. Acquire as many picks as possible, trade away pending UFAs and only give long term contracts to the players who are top tier.
Use cap space to your advantage in trades (Burns/Pattioretty) and don’t be afraid to walk away from older players wanting too big of contracts (Dougie)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm not sure why posters thing that going from Treliving to Conroy will change things.

The decision to rebuild or not to rebuild lies, as always, with Ownership.

Now, maybe to some extent Conroy does do a bit of a rebuild. But that will only be because Ownership has allowed him to do so.

I think it’s a big difference. If conroy presented a plan to do a rebuild due to cap issues, players wanting out and weak asset base he might be able to sell it and get to build “his” team.

Brad presented a rebuild for the same reasons. If I’m the owners I’m asking who got us into this situation. This is your team

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I wish they’d just build a team like Carolina. It isn’t hard. Acquire as many picks as possible, trade away pending UFAs and only give long term contracts to the players who are top tier.
Use cap space to your advantage in trades (Burns/Pattioretty) and don’t be afraid to walk away from older players wanting too big of contracts (Dougie)

It is a very different - and so far pretty successful - approach. But it starts with Dundon at the top. So Edwards would have to buy into the strategy, and by all accounts it’s unlikely he will.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It is a very different - and so far pretty successful - approach. But it starts with Dundon at the top. So Edwards would have to buy into the strategy, and by all accounts it’s unlikely he will.

But he did before - he was on board in 2013 when they traded Iggy and Bo.

They were too impatient, and overestimated what they had - Let’s hope they learned a lesson.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think it’s a big difference. If conroy presented a plan to do a rebuild due to cap issues, players wanting out and weak asset base he might be able to sell it and get to build “his” team.

Brad presented a rebuild for the same reasons. If I’m the owners I’m asking who got us into this situation. This is your team

The difference is not Conroy. Or Treliving.

It’s the owners hopefully seeing the light. Or simply having no choice.

I guess we will see.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But he did before - he was on board in 2013 when they traded Iggy and Bo.

They were too impatient, and overestimated what they had - Let’s hope they learned a lesson.

I’m not so sure Edwards was ‘on board’ with trading Iggy. His choices were loose Iggy for nothing in about 3 month or trade him now for a pittance compared to what you could have gotten a year or two ago. The writing was on the wall.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not so sure Edwards was ‘on board’ with trading Iggy. His choices were loose Iggy for nothing in about 3 month or trade him now for a pittance compared to what you could have gotten a year or two ago. The writing was on the wall.

So the exact same situation as he’s in now, only with much less beloved players?

Trading Nieuwendyk got us Iggy.

Theo returned Regehr.

They just got a new building, they can afford to give us some players to get excited about when it opens.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So the exact same situation as he’s in now, only with much less beloved players?

Trading Nieuwendyk got us Iggy.

Theo returned Regehr.

They just got a new building, they can afford to give us some players to get excited about when it opens.

I don’t think Edwards was an owner for the Iginla or Regehr trades.

I certainly would welcome a move towards acquiring young talent/draft picks for the Flames. If they do go in this direction, I suspect it will be as a result of having their hands forced.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's the rub yes.
What I'm hoping is that Conroy has outlined:
- That the team's past approach has caused them to lose valuable assets for nothing.
- Therefore the organization needs to alter its approach to how it deals with those situations including being more proactive
- Given the current make-up of the team, that likely means moving some of the many pending UFAs
- In doing so there may be an opportunity to get younger and re-build the asset base, to better position the team
- Overall the objective is to make the playoffs next year, but not at the expense of asset management.


Get buy-in for a change in approach focused on asset management, do not try to get buy-in for a "re-build".
Win the fight you can win, not try to win the one you can't.

I for one look forward to Conroy’s mic-dropping “don’t call it a rebuild” stage walk-off after trading all of Hanifin, Lindholm, and Toffoli this off-season for futures and young players, and then the Flames make the playoffs and Conroy gets whatever that dumb GM of the year award is.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I wish they’d just build a team like Carolina. It isn’t hard. Acquire as many picks as possible, trade away pending UFAs and only give long term contracts to the players who are top tier.
Use cap space to your advantage in trades (Burns/Pattioretty) and don’t be afraid to walk away from older players wanting too big of contracts (Dougie)

Carolina traded two 5OA picks for three years of Hamilton and let him walk for NOTHING!!!!!

(I do like the Carolina model, but it's not hard to paint some moves unfavourably if you want to)

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Carolina traded two 5OA picks for three years of Hamilton and let him walk for NOTHING!!!!!

(I do like the Carolina model, but it's not hard to paint some moves unfavourably if you want to)

The manner in which Carolina operates changed completely (for the better) as soon as they got new ownership (2021). Though to be fair, they had 12 picks in 2019. So it might be a Don Waddell thing (2018) as well.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not so sure Edwards was ‘on board’ with trading Iggy. His choices were loose Iggy for nothing in about 3 month or trade him now for a pittance compared to what you could have gotten a year or two ago. The writing was on the wall.

Yeah. They limped into the rebuild when it was forced. Keep all these UFAs and let them walk and it’ll be the same

[GranteedEV]

all I know is, the Flames have no excuse to be a cap ceiling team next year.

Wanna make the playoffs? Sure, do it like 2018 Vegas and focus on adding assets that in the future can be converted into more tangible assets

Don't be a cap ceiling team.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think he was trying to save his job.
I think he was executing a plan with the constraints and objectives imposed on him by his boss.

And on paper it looked pretty good. I don't think he is the type of person that would have done things to damage the team long-term. But I think he was under pressure to replace players and get them signed. So he did his best to deliver on that.

Wouldn't it be his job to explain the long-term ramifications of those contracts? I mean at the end he's hired for his expertise.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Wouldn't it be his job to explain the long-term ramifications of those contracts? I mean at the end he's hired for his expertise.

Yeah if only Tre had said hey Murray that's stupid, then Murray would have said oh my mistake and all would be saved.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Wouldn't it be his job to explain the long-term ramifications of those contracts? I mean at the end he's hired for his expertise.

Pretty sure Treliving would have discussed this with ownership. If it has occurred to you, what makes you think it didn’t occur to Treliving or the owners/Edwards?

I don’t think you’re giving Treliving/the owners credit for doing something that is plainly obvious.