2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sandman]

$8.9 million is the new 7.5 million in terms of salaries in the NHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Lindholm will make Conroy's job pretty easy I think. We can no longer act from a position of weakness when trying to retain our own GD players. You don't want to be a flame at or below market rate? cool, see you later.

Give him a number and a deadline. Let him know it's not a negotiation. Tell him he'll be traded to the highest bidder. Execute. Thank him for his services. Rinse and repeat with the other 6.

I don't disagree except that I think guys like Toffoli and Tanev could have equal or higher value at the deadline. They have reasonable cap hits, and at the deadline more teams could be in play.
I think your younger pending FAs have to be dealt with before the season starts (ideally at the draft) but the older ones can be dealt with during the season or at the deadline.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Lindholm will make Conroy's job pretty easy I think. We can no longer act from a position of weakness when trying to retain our own GD players. You don't want to be a flame at or below market rate? cool, see you later.

Give him a number and a deadline. Let him know it's not a negotiation. Tell him he'll be traded to the highest bidder. Execute. Thank him for his services. Rinse and repeat with the other 6.

If you operated this way as a GM absolutely nobody would ever sign with this team again as long as you were employed. Telling players you won't negotiate with them would lead to a very short GM life.

[Toonage]

You're all assuming 8.9 is what Lindholm wants

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't disagree except that I think guys like Toffoli and Tanev could have equal or higher value at the deadline. They have reasonable cap hits, and at the deadline more teams could be in play.
I think your younger pending FAs have to be dealt with before the season starts (ideally at the draft) but the older ones can be dealt with during the season or at the deadline.

Yes, I’ve suggested that they and maybe Backlund are almost more valuable at the deadline with prorated hits. The one caveat is Tanev’s health.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Toonage

You're all assuming 8.9 is what Lindholm wants

Nope. Sec pretty much hinted he wants more

[traptor]

8.9x8 is a fair deal.

It skews a bit in lindholms favour but it's not too outlandish.

Definitely feels like a take it or leave it offer.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Nope. Sec pretty much hinted he wants more

Exactly. That's what I'm saying

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They can easily make it work. The deal doesn't kick in until the cap goes up like 8-9$M a year. Have you talked to Lindholm? How would you know he wouldn't do it?

You build a team successfully by managing your cap efficiently not but just spending because you have the money. Sure the cap may go up, we hear this argument all the time with Huberdeau, still doesn’t make it a wise use of your cap, now we can’t pay guys adequately on 2nd and 3rd line.
It doesn’t matter what the cap is, when you are overpaying on contracts you hurt the team

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Nope. Sec pretty much hinted he wants more

What Sec hears is not fact. Sometimes sources are wrong, like the Love hire. Did Sec even explain his picture? Maybe he was implying Conroy was shooting for a deal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

You build a team successfully by managing your cap efficiently not but just spending because you have the money. Sure the cap may go up, we hear this argument all the time with Huberdeau, still doesn’t make it a wise use of your cap, now we can’t pay guys adequately on 2nd and 3rd line.
It doesn’t matter what the cap is, when you are overpaying on contracts you hurt the team

You build a team by having a #1 C. Exactly where would Boston have been if they had done the same thing with Bergeron? Lindholm is a guy you absolutely keep if you want to win.

[dammage79]

If it's 8x8.9 and he said no, see ya.

[All In Good Time]

There’s just no cap room for what he is going to want/deserves.
Hell
Even this year is going to be interesting. We have just over 1M in room and 4 or 5 spots to fill.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The Flames are gonna have a bunch of money tied into 5 guys into their late 30's aren't they?

If they play their cards exactly wrong, they may time the beginning of their decade long cratering with the opening night of the new building. I think Conroy is smarter than that though.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

There’s just no cap room for what he is going to want/deserves.

Again, entirely untrue.

[kyuss275]

I wouldn’t have a problem paying $8.9 million for lindholm. They are not rebuilding. In order for it to work Zary, Coranato, and Jacob would have to make huge impacts on the team for the team to have a chance to win the cup.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I wouldn’t have a problem paying $8.9 million for lindholm. They are not rebuilding. In order for it to work Zary, Coranato, and Jacob would have to make huge impacts on the team for the team to have a chance to win the cup.

The team may not want to rebuild, but if Lindholm, hanifin, Backlund say they won't sign long term what choice do they have?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

The team may not want to rebuild, but if Lindholm, hanifin, Backlund say they won't sign long term what choice do they have?

Make hockey trades.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you operated this way as a GM absolutely nobody would ever sign with this team again as long as you were employed. Telling players you won't negotiate with them would lead to a very short GM life.

Ok, in a literal sense, no. But in the sense of, hey, we're not going to lowball you. Here is the market rate and we're willing to do this number. It represents fair value and we want to win with you as a flame, but if not, we're trading you.

If he comes back and wants to add 100k here or an NTC there, sure whatever.

The point is, this team has been breaking it's back trying to retain its own talent and needs to show some pride in the C and draw the line. Every one is replaceable if you let your culture takeover. The root problem though is that this team's culture is damaged. There's a number of ways to rebuild it, but the safest one is by drafting and developing and building loyalty, the latter being the big failure of the previous administration.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What Sec hears is not fact. Sometimes sources are wrong, like the Love hire. Did Sec even explain his picture? Maybe he was implying Conroy was shooting for a deal.