I shouldn’t feel bad for the Russians but what a miserable way to die huddled under the body of a tank while being continually attacks by harassing fire that you can’t defend yourself from. All the while knowing that there is no assistance coming and you’re going to die. In what looked like hours if not days. Such a waste of potential from everyone involved.
I cannot understand the mentality of an invading group like this. What keeps them motivated as they see their brothers getting mutilated trying to invade another country? At what point do they start questioning the sanity of the whole thing?
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I cannot understand the mentality of an invading group like this. What keeps them motivated as they see their brothers getting mutilated trying to invade another country? At what point do they start questioning the sanity of the whole thing?
They don’t view it as another country. They view it as Russia and are liberating it from fascist jewish nazi Zelenskyy and his traitorous regime. All Russian land need to be united under Moscow.
Kyiv aspiring to become an EU and NATO member is an affront to their ideology. They believe their own bull####.
I shouldn’t feel bad for the Russians but what a miserable way to die huddled under the body of a tank while being continually attacks by harassing fire that you can’t defend yourself from. All the while knowing that there is no assistance coming and you’re going to die. In what looked like hours if not days. Such a waste of potential from everyone involved.
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Obviously, this is a hard one to watch.
Though, I think you’d all agree it’s important people see the reality of war. It’s not the recruitment commercials or movies, that’s for sure. Probably be a lot less war if people saw what it really is.
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Probably, but who knows what was going through their minds at the time. I guess I don’t respect what they have done as a country but those two pathetically huddled under a tank having explosions going off constantly around them were likely a couple of conscripts fighting a dictators war. I guess it is just thinking a bit about how awful that would feel.
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Yeah that is the reality of what war is. I can hate what a country does and the actions of the military but those two soldiers huddled like rats weren’t the reason for the war but they do pay the ultimate price.
They probably thought leaving the hole would be certain death. I am not sure how you would communicate to the enemy at that point on what your intentions are.
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They probably thought leaving the hole would be certain death. I am not sure how you would communicate to the enemy at that point on what your intentions are.
In movies it's done with a piece of your white undershirt and a stick or tied to your rifle. All my war experience is from movies.
Yeah that is the reality of what war is. I can hate what a country does and the actions of the military but those two soldiers huddled like rats weren’t the reason for the war but they do pay the ultimate price.
And then you hear these accounts
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I cannot understand the mentality of an invading group like this. What keeps them motivated as they see their brothers getting mutilated trying to invade another country? At what point do they start questioning the sanity of the whole thing?
Although I agree with your line of thinking, it's not the way it usually works in the battle or the mentality of soldiers.
I have zero doubt that American, Canadian and other western countries that fought the war on terror and were on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan or even in wars like in Vietnam truly believe what their leaders tell them.
I think a lot of the Russian soldiers in the battle truly believe they are battling Nazi's, reclaiming Russian lands, unifying Russia/Ukraine or whatever it is they believe.
I also think a huge portion of western soldiers thought they were battling against weapons of mass destruction, bringing democracy to the middle east, instilling values for women, protecting America from terror etc etc
As per usual, the little people are the ones who are getting the short end of the stick and paying the ultimate price while a handful of mostly men in suits call the shots.
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This realpolitik rubbish is why we are where we are. This is a military alliance not an economic union, they will be admitted because they will have one of the largest armies in Europe and easily the most experienced. This conflict has revived NATOs purpose for existence.
I don't even know what realpolitik means and I don't know what you mean by "where we are". Is that a site or a philosophy? Does it sound like I'm using realpolitik talking points or something? Honestly never heard of it.
I don't know, man. Maybe you're right. I just don't see how NATO benefits. Right now we're supplying their army with weapons and expertise and risking no lives. I'm very sympathetic towards Ukraine and I'm 100% supportive of my taxes helping Ukraine's military and people come to our country. I also don't want my kids to get roped up into some conflict in Russia/Ukraine at any point ever, so am happy that an attack on Ukraine didn't trigger a full-scale war that obligated Canada to join.
Yeah, Ukraine is going to have an experienced, large and capable army after this if they win. That's great for them. Still don't see what that has to do with NATO, though.
Although I agree with your line of thinking, it's not the way it usually works in the battle or the mentality of soldiers.
I have zero doubt that American, Canadian and other western countries that fought the war on terror and were on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan or even in wars like in Vietnam truly believe what their leaders tell them.
I also think a huge portion of western soldiers thought they were battling against weapons of mass destruction, bringing democracy to the middle east, instilling values for women, protecting America from terror etc etc
Those I know that went didn't "believe the hype" per se.
While early on there was a sense of revenge for 911, many were/are Professional Soldiers who's job it was to action the will of their government.
There is also a Professional Pride to uphold. A Pride in yourself, your Buddy and to some extent the History of your Unit. It is an expectation that when your time comes you do your job, just as those before you did theirs.
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Those I know that went didn't "believe the hype" per se.
While early on there was a sense of revenge for 911, many were/are Professional Soldiers who's job it was to action the will of their government.
There is also a Professional Pride to uphold. A Pride in yourself, your Buddy and to some extent the History of your Unit. It is an expectation that when your time comes you do your job, just as those before you did theirs.
I went to a mess dinner in Edmonton soon after the US launched their operations in the second Iraq war (~2003). Everyone, there was really pissed off that Canada wasn’t getting involved as well. I was surprised because I figured Canada had their hands full in Afghanistan and I never got the argument to invade Iraq.
