[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by stemit14

When I look at the picks teams have in that list above, I think the teams that fit the best as a trade partner for Calgary are Detroit, St. Louis and Buffalo. They all have multiple picks in the first/second rounds so they can afford to trade one or two. They all could use a defenseman like Hanifin. They are all on the upswing of their rebuilds (or retools in the case of St. Louis). An extended Hanifin would be an effective player both now and when they are hoping to be contenders in 3-4 years.

While their may be other teams that want/need Hanifin more than Detroit, St. Louis and Buffalo… I think those 3 teams could out-bid the other teams while still retaining good prospects/picks on their teams.

I think Detroit could also be a good trade partner for Lindholm if they don’t want Hanifin.

Would be pretty crazy if Conroy came out of this draft with 3 picks in the top 20.


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Detroit and Buffalo for sure. I don’t know about St. Louis. They already have four defencemen signed to big contracts with term.

Faulk 4 x 6.5
Krug 4 x 6.5
Paryako 6 x 6.5
Leddy 3 x 4

They would have to move one of them to bring in Hanifin, but they’re all 30+, underperforming their cap hits, and have NTCs. It’s a ####ing mess.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Detroit and Buffalo for sure. I don’t know about St. Louis. They already have four defencemen signed to big contracts with term. They would have to move one of them to bring in Hanifin, but they’re all underperforming their cap hits and have NTCs.

True. What’s intriguing with St. Louis is it’s possible they could be convinced to trade the higher pick (10th overall) for Hanifin if the flames took back one their under-performing defencemen in the trade. The cap-dump for Leddy, Parayko or Krug in exchange for an extended Hanifin I think would be worth it if the flames could get 10th overall.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by stemit14

True. What’s intriguing with St. Louis is it’s possible they could be convinced to trade the higher pick (10th overall) for Hanifin if the flames took back one their under-performing defencemen in the trade. The cap-dump for Leddy, Parayko or Krug in exchange for an extended Hanifin I think would be worth it if the flames could get 10th overall.

I could see a deal like that working in theoryy. But those NTCs. Extremely unlikely Krug or Faulk would waive them (both American, and Faulk was outspoken about Covid measures). Leddy might waive. Or Alberta boy Paryako… and his 6 more years at 6.5.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I could see a deal like that working in theoryy. But those NTCs. Extremely unlikely Krug or Faulk would waive them (both American, and Faulk was outspoken about Covid measures). Leddy might waive. Or Alberta boy Paryako… and his 6 more years at 6.5.

Parayko’s contract is a tough one but it would likely be the one that St. Louis would be the most motivated to move… and the flames would be getting the player that is the most likely to want to be here. Could be the price to pay to draft 10th overall.

If Detroit and Buffalo were both bidding for Hanifin as well, I think St. Louis would have to offer 10th overall in some capacity to beat the offers of 13th overall (Buffalo) or 17th overall (Detroit). These kind of offers would be very intriguing:

10th overall + Parayko’s contract from St. Louis

vs.

13th overall from Buffalo

I’ll add in something even more intriguing like Zach Benson still being available to draft at 10th overall. Which one do you take?


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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Murph

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander

Insert Homer drooling gif…

Honestly, Nylander (with an extension) + another shot with Huberdeau might be enough to get Lindholm to justifiably put pen to paper.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Hanifin. For me, it is all about dollars.


If Hanifin re-signs long-term at a max of 7 million a season, I would want to retain him. Anything over that - especially in the 8's - and I would prefer he is traded.


We all see players differently, and we all have our confirmation biases. The way I see Hanifin is as a #2 or #3 defencemen. I don't really see him as a 'difference maker', like you do with some other defencemen around the league that you label as #1 defencemen.



Pros: Hanifin has the size and skating ability to cover basically anyone in the NHL well. He is a smooth skating minute muncher who makes good first passes in transition, or who can skate well with the puck out of the zone and enter the offensive zone. Doesn't make many mistakes defensively.


Cons: I see him as underwhelming offensively. He is similar to me as TJ Brodie was, but Brodie had better offensive vision and could make some high-skilled passes to set up his teammates. Brodie had that creative ability. Hanifin seems like a stronger Brodie, but without that vision. This con could be 100% confirmation bias by me, but I have noticed it enough that it grinds my gears: I hate how Hanifin often relieves pressure that Calgary is building. Too often I see the Flames having control and keeping the opponent in the defensive zone without being able to change, and you want the puck to keep moving around and creating more breakdowns. Puck goes to Hanifin, and from just inside the blueline and without anyone screening the goalie or being able to get even get a stick on the puck, Hanifin shoots the puck, and the goalie eats it and the play stops, relieving the pressure. I have noticed this happening way too often in the last 2 seasons, and I really hate it as I see it is either a very selfish play, or a low-IQ play. This is actually my ONE and ONLY complaint about Hanifin, but I do think it is something that can be fixed. I would still prefer to re-sign Hanifin rather than trade him (well, depending on what is coming back - could be a great haul).


I like the comparison to Bouwmeester a lot. I really disliked Bouwmeester under Brent Sutter, but I did really like him under Hartley. He was night and day more effective. I don't remember Hanifin grinding my gears under Peters so much with what I call his 'lack of offensive awareness', so perhaps just like Bouwmeester experienced a resurgence under Hartley, I openly wonder about what it can mean for Hanifin too. I really wish that Brodie was on this team as he had that creative spark, but I am legitimately excited to see what Hanifin, Andersson, Weegar and Kylington can really do within Huska's system. Heck, Zadorov had a career year offensively under Sutter, so let's see how it goes for him as well.


TLDR; Trade Hanifin at greater than 7 million/season over 6-8 years. Weegar is a good comparable to Hanifin right now I think, and I am willing to pay Hanifin a little more, but not above the somewhere in the 6's.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Keeping Hanifin is more about if he is replaceable from with in. Looking at the prospect pool, do we see a Hanifin replacement in one of Poirier, Kuznetsov, or Solovyov? I don’t see one which means they need to keep Hanifin in the fold. Unless someone is going to include a possible replacement in the deal - and why would they? - you don’t trade the player unless he has said he has no interest in signing another contract.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I’d try and find a team that is impatient to build.

Imagine we got Dach, Guhle, and our conditional 1st round pick back from the Habs for Lindholm and Hanifin. The Habs could flip Lindholm for Dubois.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I’d try and find a team that is impatient to build.

Imagine we got Dach, Guhle, and our conditional 1st round pick back from the Habs for Lindholm and Hanifin. The Habs could flip Lindholm for Dubois.

Lol. Imagine being Lindholm in that deal. Yay! Big city and new opp!

SOB... Rebuilding Winnipeg now? Lol

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Lol. Imagine being Lindholm in that deal. Yay! Big city and new opp!

SOB... Rebuilding Winnipeg now? Lol

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Winnipeg won't trade Debois for a player who won't sign there or hasn't got term.

if Lindholm won't sign in Calgary, he ain't signing in Winnipeg.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Keeping Hanifin is more about if he is replaceable from with in. Looking at the prospect pool, do we see a Hanifin replacement in one of Poirier, Kuznetsov, or Solovyov? I don’t see one which means they need to keep Hanifin in the fold. Unless someone is going to include a possible replacement in the deal - and why would they? - you don’t trade the player unless he has said he has no interest in signing another contract.

I think it's assumed that in trading Hanifin, it's already been decided he won't sign an extension here. Not saying it's already been decided, but if they trade him, it's because they feel they have no choice. Same for Lindholm.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it's assumed that in trading Hanifin, it's already been decided he won't sign an extension here. Not saying it's already been decided, but if they trade him, it's because they feel they have no choice. Same for Lindholm.

Yes, if Hanifin wants to extend (and his price isn’t stupid) you extend him.

You trade him if one of those criteria isn’t met, or if you get an offer you can’t refuse.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Lol. Imagine being Lindholm in that deal. Yay! Big city and new opp!

SOB... Rebuilding Winnipeg now? Lol

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Winnipeg won't trade Debois for a player who won't sign there or hasn't got term.

if Lindholm won't sign in Calgary, he ain't signing in Winnipeg.

That’s Lindholm’s/WPG’s problem lol

[Vinny01]

Lindholm and Hanifin was the best trade Treliving made. They came in at the right age and the right time in this teams previous build under Treliving. With how the last couple years played out and the new core being older I think they need to move on from both players for younger assets be it picks, prospects or players.

If the Flames can somehow draft 3x in the top 20 after making those deals they could be in a much better spot in 3-4 years when those guys are ready to make an impact. If you do not want to tank it out for high picks you need to make multiple picks.

[Bourque's Twin]

I don't think losing Hanifin would be as big of a loss as some think. Sure, he plays a lot of minutes and puts up decent points but he reminds me of a poor man's Bouwmeester. He's not physical and he is not an offensive threat. If the return is there, trade him now while he has a good cap hit and is still young. The Flames are fine with Rasmus, Weegar, Tanev, Zadorov, Stetcher, Stone, Gilbert, etc. Hanifin is not the piece that puts the team over the edge. I played golf with a Flames alumnus and he said "if there's one guy they should trade, it's Hanifin. I just don't see what he brings."

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Keeping Hanifin is more about if he is replaceable from with in. Looking at the prospect pool, do we see a Hanifin replacement in one of Poirier, Kuznetsov, or Solovyov? I don’t see one which means they need to keep Hanifin in the fold. Unless someone is going to include a possible replacement in the deal - and why would they? - you don’t trade the player unless he has said he has no interest in signing another contract.

Agreed, I don't see a Hanifin replacement in the current prospect pool. Which is why if we are trading Hanifin I'm hoping its for a top-15 pick this summer so that we can snag one of Reinbacher or Pellikka (Best D available).

Failing that, I still have high hopes for Kylington to slide into that spot this season, hopefully the year off hasn't set him back from his career trajectory and he continues making strides this season.

I think Kylington is the biggest wild card out of all of these Hanifin discussions, if he can step up this season in Hanifin's absence AND we can get another blue-chip D prospect or mid-high 1st rounder in a potential deal, I think we should pull the trigger.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That’s Lindholm’s/WPG’s problem lol

Not really, he can go wherever he wants after the season

[CliffFletcher]

I know first round picks are exciting. Especially in this draft. But I don’t think those are what the Flames will be targeting in trades for Hanifin or Lindholm. I think they’ll be targeting 19-24 year old players and prospects with team control. They want to compete this coming season, and will want players back who can help them now and in the next two seasons, not assets that are 3-5 seasons away from playing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I know first round picks are exciting. Especially in this draft. But I don’t think those are what the Flames will be targeting in trades for Hanifin or Lindholm. I think they’ll be targeting 19-24 year old players and prospects with team control. They want to compete this coming season, and will want players back who can help them now and in the next two seasons, not assets that are 3-5 seasons away from playing.

Yeah, they will want to trade 2023 Lindholm and Hanifin for essentially what they got in the original trade.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I know first round picks are exciting. Especially in this draft. But I don’t think those are what the Flames will be targeting in trades for Hanifin or Lindholm. I think they’ll be targeting 19-24 year old players and prospects with team control. They want to compete this coming season, and will want players back who can help them now and in the next two seasons, not assets that are 3-5 seasons away from playing.

It all depends considering this club is already up against the cap and want to make room for their current prospects.

Look at the current lineup

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Dube
Coleman-Backlund-?
Duehr-Ruzicka-?

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Weegar
Zadorov-Tanev

Markstrom
Vladar/Wolf

There are maybe 2 spots up for grabs likely Pelletier gets a spot so one more spot for a prospect. If they move Hanifin they can keep Stetcher or they would want a Dman back. Moving Lindholm opens a hole in the middle but there are not a lot of spots for wingers.

If they get players back for Lindholm/Hanifin I think they will need to move other assets for futures. They need to create the space for younger players to get a shot.