[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It took a long time for Kylington to hit his stride. Taking a year off may set him back and it's possible he never gets back on track so it's pretty risky to slot him in the top 4 automatically.

This, plus I think people are not remembering exactly where he was in his last playing year. He was obviously a great skater and had offensive skills, but most of his production success was at the end of October and through November. His production fell off a lot after that (TBF partly due to coming back from injuriy too soon). In March he had 3 points. He was also partnered with Tanev who supported him a lot.

[Reign of Fire]

wrong thread

[Macho0978]

People are comparing trading Hanifin to trading Jay Bo. IMO that is a great comparison. Both are similar in value and are good dmen.

But IMO the Flames should trade Hanifin.

Will we miss Hanifin - yes we will

Will Hanifin go to another team and play well and possible come in behind a Alex Pietrangelo type and play a role support role to an AP type and play well and possible win a cup - maybe

But this will not happen in Calgary. As right now this team is still searching and hoping their existing dmen are Alex Pietrangelo. We just don't have a guy like that, that allows a guy like Hanifin to play that role he would excel at.

Weegar and Rasmus look much better as a pair than Rasmus and Hanifin did. Move forward Imo going with those 2 as my top pairing.

Kylington looked good with Tanev, I'm ok to move Tanev out too but Hanifin might actually get us something.

Hanifin is too good and will cost too much to be on the 3rd pairing.

I get our D prospects are weak, hard to move Hanifin but he likely gets paid top pairing money - more than Weegar is getting. He just makes the most sense to move.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I really love Hanifin, but I think it's safe to assume that based on Conroy's comments about reaching out to all the upcoming UFA's to see where they're at, that Hanifin might have indicated to him that he's not too enthusiastic about re-signing. If that's the case, yeah, definitely trade him.

It is not "safe to assume" this. It is a possibility, and might be the case, but not "safe to assume".

But yes, if Hanifin has stated he is not going to re-sign, then he should be traded.

[MrMike]

Shop out Hanifin. I do not want us to be paying him 8m a year for 8 years.

Run with-
Andersson
Weegar
Tanev
Zadorov
Kylington
Stetcher/Gilbert/Poirier

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

It is not "safe to assume" this. It is a possibility, and might be the case, but not "safe to assume".

I'd argue that that's pretty much the same thing. Maybe strong possibility instead? Not sure why the synonym I used is a point of contention.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO Hanafin should be higher priority than Lindholm. At 26 years old he will be top 4 for this organization for the balance of this decade and will make for a good bridge player when they have to rebuild. All the other pending UFA's represent diminishing returns over the course of the contracts.

Disagree, this is a strong D group where you can move a piece like Hanifin and plug someone like Kylington into the top 4 be ok. The team has nothing young and special coming up the pipeline at centre and if you lose Lindholm there is nothing in sight to replace him. The #1 priority should be getting Lindholm signed to a long term deal.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

Yea I think I would, Girard would instantly become our most offensive minded D man.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

Of course but I don't think they would.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Disagree, this is a strong D group where you can move a piece like Hanifin and plug someone like Kylington into the top 4 be ok. The team has nothing young and special coming up the pipeline at centre and if you lose Lindholm there is nothing in sight to replace him. The #1 priority should be getting Lindholm signed to a long term deal.

It's strong today but looking at the expiring deals it's clearly going to take a major step back in a year. Like I said before Kylington is an unknown after missing a year of hockey. It's a gamble to assume he's going to be able to play top 4 minutes. Lindholm represents another long term contract that's going to play a role in misery in the back half of the decade. I just feel like some fans don't realize how bad things may look for this organization in about 4 years. Hanafin on a long term deal will still look good in the future where I don't think Lindholm for $8.5 million or more will look nearly as good.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

They;d get Lindholm for that offer

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's strong today but looking at the expiring deals it's clearly going to take a major step back in a year. Like I said before Kylington is an unknown after missing a year of hockey. It's a gamble to assume he's going to be able to play top 4 minutes. Lindholm represents another long term contract that's going to play a role in misery in the back half of the decade. I just feel like some fans don't realize how bad things may look for this organization in about 4 years. Hanafin on a long term deal will still look good in the future where I don't think Lindholm for $8.5 million or more will look nearly as good.

Kadri and Backlund have to clear out if Lindholm stays, no way around it. Even if you have to take an L on the trade return for Kadri, it's the only solution.


Personally, I hate seeing the possibility of Lindholm walking in favor of Backlund or Kadri.

If I'm anchoring my roster on a single center for the next 8 years, I know who I'm latching onto. I Don understand anyone who doesn't.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kadri and Backlund have to clear out if Lindholm stays, no way around it. Even if you have to take an L on the trade return for Kadri, it's the only solution.


Personally, I hate seeing the possibility of Lindholm walking in favor of Backlund or Kadri.

If I'm anchoring my roster on a single center for the next 8 years, I know who I'm latching onto. I Don understand anyone who doesn't.

The organization took an 1st round loss in the first place to sign Kadri. Burning more assets to get rid of him reeks of a poorly run organization. I can't see it happening.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

I’d be sending the IKEA start the car gif to the entire Flames management group chat.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If colorado came and offered Girard, Newhook, and 2023 1st, would you do it?

I don't think COL would do Girard for Hanifin 1 for 1.

Girard is locked up for 4 more years at $5M. They need to pay Toews next year.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The organization took an 1st round loss in the first place to sign Kadri. Burning more assets to get rid of him reeks of a poorly run organization. I can't see it happening.

I guess that boils down to which is the bigger loss? The extra 1st from the Tkachuk deal or letting Lindholm walk. Bear in mind that the Flames thought process isn't exactly fan derived "common sense".

It's pretty evident the Lindholm is priority #1 for Conroy and the teams management.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This, plus I think people are not remembering exactly where he was in his last playing year. He was obviously a great skater and had offensive skills, but most of his production success was at the end of October and through November. His production fell off a lot after that (TBF partly due to coming back from injuriy too soon). In March he had 3 points. He was also partnered with Tanev who supported him a lot.

The idea is that the Flames will have Kylington, Andersson, Weager, Tanev, Zadorov, and potentially Stecher. Sure having defensive depth is a great luxury. But when you are short on scoring, it's better to allocate cap elsewhere. With that depth Kylington doesn't have to be a legit top 4 right away, the club is fine with him as a #4/5.

On top of that, the Flames may want to create room to give a couple AHL guys playing time in the NHL.

The Flames were already heavy depth-wise last year and adding Kylington makes for too many bodies. Retaining Kylington and selling high on Hanifin, as opposed to selling low on Kylington, makes more sense from an asset management perspective.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kadri and Backlund have to clear out if Lindholm stays, no way around it. Even if you have to take an L on the trade return for Kadri, it's the only solution.


Personally, I hate seeing the possibility of Lindholm walking in favor of Backlund or Kadri.

If I'm anchoring my roster on a single center for the next 8 years, I know who I'm latching onto. I Don understand anyone who doesn't.

Clearing out both Kadri and Backlund puts Calgary's center depth in a really bad position. One likely needs to be traded though.

[neo45]

People are going to be very happy with what Hanifin brings back, I predict.

Usually fan bases overshoot player value but I see the opposite here. Tons of teams could use this guy and tons of teams can fit him in this year. All the ingredients for a bidding war.

I think he’s gone for sure though. Big hole to fill for sure.