If we believe we have some kind of window, then we need a coach that can get this group to overperform. To be greater than the sum of its parts.
Hiring a guy who didn't have winning seasons in 3/4 seasons in the minors because he needed a better team is not how you go about achieving the above.
Letting the current roster determine this hire will totally backfire. It will be GG all over again. It's going too far to the other end of the spectrum after Darryl.
Letting the inmates run the asylum would not be a great start for Conroy. Hire the hotshot 2x ahl best coach. Put your trust in the guy that oversaw .700 teams through most of his career. It's the best internal bet.
I don't see any strong argument that tells me huska would do a better job. He's done great with the defensive side and PK. Let the guy continue working his strengths. This team needs to score more goals. I don't think your defensive mastermind with no history of winning as a HC is going to help there.
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I do worry about the assistant coach taking over for the head coach and the failure that (statistically?) follows but in this case I do have hope given that there will be an influx of youth this season, and a roster turnover between this and next season that will see even more young or at least new players on the roster.
Basically Huska won't be coaching or even inheriting the same team as last year. In fact it could be radically different come training camp. Time will tell.
It's not the worst idea to have a guy that knows what Sutter did (and FWIW Sutter had a lot of good things that he coached) but also maybe is open to younger players and more offence.
Sutter's overall approach isn't bad. You can see similarities in the way both the Canes and the Knights play. He was just stubborn about a few impactful things.
I have it on very good authority that Sutter was running the team his way or the highway. Pretty much a solo effort on that front. Everything his AC's, players, management had to say kinda fell on deaf ears.
Yeah most of the posts you make are praising the Oilers and Evander Kane.
Not sure I trust your supposed source of authority, but that's probably not far off the truth.
I'm pretty sure most people put 2 and 2 together and figured out that Sutter was ruling with an iron fist based on account of press and players.
When you talk about a player you’ve acquired, you want to highlight what they do. What they bring to the table that will win you games when two guys are fighting for one knife in the mud.
Take Curtis Lazar - that guy could not be mentioned in this city without a 30 second preamble about what a great guy he is. Which, good for him and all… Curtis Lazar ####ing sucks.
Matt Tkachuk is a prick, and in a week, he could be a legend.
Corey Perry - prick. Played in the Finals three years in a row after being bought out. Legend.
Evander Kane is scum - the Oilers have won more playoff games in the 18 months he’s been on their roster than the entire rest of the McDavid/Draisaitl era.
Ovechkin has been buddies with Putin his whole career, and he’s gonna break Wayne Gretzky’s goal record.
Mark Messier never met a chin he wouldn’t elbow.
Chris Pronger is not, despite what his gambling adds say, an all around good guy. He’s a philandering psychopath, and one of the greatest players ever.
“If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons.” - Churchill
Nice guys finish last. Find more pricks who can play.
I’d argue the two most important players for the Flames in 89 were Gilmour and Vernon, two “not so great guys”. Oh and that other “not so great guy” Fleury was also a big contributor too.
The Knights are two games away from a championship and are generally described as the most cutthroat management team in the league.
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When you talk about a player you’ve acquired, you want to highlight what they do. What they bring to the table that will win you games when two guys are fighting for one knife in the mud.
Take Curtis Lazar - that guy could not be mentioned in this city without a 30 second preamble about what a great guy he is. Which, good for him and all… Curtis Lazar ####ing sucks.
Matt Tkachuk is a prick, and in a week, he could be a legend.
Corey Perry - prick. Played in the Finals three years in a row after being bought out. Legend.
Evander Kane is scum - the Oilers have won more playoff games in the 18 months he’s been on their roster than the entire rest of the McDavid/Draisaitl era.
Ovechkin has been buddies with Putin his whole career, and he’s gonna break Wayne Gretzky’s goal record.
Mark Messier never met a chin he wouldn’t elbow.
Chris Pronger is not, despite what his gambling adds say, an all around good guy. He’s a philandering psychopath, and one of the greatest players ever.
“If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons.” - Churchill
Nice guys finish last. Find more pricks who can play.
Intentionally hiring pricks seems like an overreaction, but yes, skill comes in all shades and colours. We shouldn't have niceness/character even in our top 3 qualities for evaluation.
Winning is often unrelated to the personalities of the players in the room, with the rare exception of aggressively abraisive guys like Avery or Kane early in his career who were genuine locker room cancers.
It's not the worst idea to have a guy that knows what Sutter did (and FWIW Sutter had a lot of good things that he coached) but also maybe is open to younger players and more offence.
Sutter's overall approach isn't bad. You can see similarities in the way both the Canes and the Knights play. He was just stubborn about a few impactful things.
Yeah system wise they need to expand on what Sutter was implementing.
Tweak the defensive zone coverage and D to D passing and focus more on getting into the middle of the ice and less shots from the outside.
Shots are great but lets get in the dirty areas with our sticks down.
Also we need to put a big emphasis on the powerplay.
I’d argue the two most important players for the Flames in 89 were Gilmour and Vernon, two “not so great guys”. Oh and that other “not so great guy” Fleury was also a big contributor too.
The Knights are two games away from a championship and are generally described as the most cutthroat management team in the league.
There's levels though. Neither of those guys is Evander Kane. Plus there was Newy, Mullen, Conn Smythe MacInnis, Loob, Macoun and Otto and the trio of captains all of whom seem pretty decent. Fleury was a fourth liner.
Plus on other cup winners you have notorious "good guys" Beliveau, Sakic, Naslund, Datsyuk, Elias, Francis, Yzerman and Bossy.
Takeaway - you can win with good guys. On ice "bad guys" are fine. I have little time for off ice pricks though.
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At least if Love is an assistant, if Huska falters they can implement what should've been plan A anyways.
I think Huska is of his greatest value to the team in the position he's been in for several years now. Needlessly promoting him only to fire him later would be a loss overall.
There's levels though. Neither of those guys is Evander Kane. Plus there was Newy, Mullen, Conn Smythe MacInnis, Loob, Macoun and Otto and the trio of captains all of whom seem pretty decent. Fleury was a fourth liner.
Plus on other cup winners you have notorious "good guys" Beliveau, Sakic, Naslund, Datsyuk, Elias, Francis, Yzerman and Bossy.
Takeaway - you can win with good guys. On ice "bad guys" are fine. I have little time for off ice pricks though.
You can’t win without a few bad guys.
Every Sisko needs his Garak.
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If we believe we have some kind of window, then we need a coach that can get this group to overperform. To be greater than the sum of its parts.
Hiring a guy who didn't have winning seasons in 3/4 seasons in the minors because he needed a better team is not how you go about achieving the above.
Letting the current roster determine this hire will totally backfire. It will be GG all over again. It's going too far to the other end of the spectrum after Darryl.
Letting the inmates run the asylum would not be a great start for Conroy. Hire the hotshot 2x ahl best coach. Put your trust in the guy that oversaw .700 teams through most of his career. It's the best internal bet.
I don't see any strong argument that tells me huska would do a better job. He's done great with the defensive side and PK. Let the guy continue working his strengths. This team needs to score more goals. I don't think your defensive mastermind with no history of winning as a HC is going to help there.
I would lose a lot of respect for Conroy if he genuinely thought this group, even with Lindholm and Hanifin extended, was in a window.
You’re not going to get an established coach to burn his last chance with this roster.
You will get a guy who wants an opportunity to do more with less.
I didn't sit in for a single flames coaching interview and I have never set foot in the Flames locker room. I have also never talked to a single Flames player past or present. Armed with all that type of high end info I would like to say that I am completely outraged at the news today. Completely OUTRAGED! I fear the worst will happen now!!
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I didn't sit in for a single flames coaching interview and I have never set foot in the Flames locker room. I have also never talked to a single Flames player past or present. Armed with all that type of high end info I would like to say that I am completely outraged at the news today. Completely OUTRAGED! I fear the worst will happen now!!
How do you even know there was ever a meeting? If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around..
