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Old 06-07-2023, 07:24 PM   #21
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Whoa! Ouch!!! Jeebus!!! If this is your issue for him being nominated, why drag the sister part in?
Because my understanding is that she is an excellent athlete and leader.

Darnell Nurse though? You've gotta be kidding me.
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Old 06-08-2023, 08:22 AM   #22
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Whoa! Ouch!!! Jeebus!!! If this is your issue for him being nominated, why drag the sister part in?





You are the one mentioned the family tree, and when people question that you get all out of joint?
Chill with the outrage. Lock was clearly saying Sarah is the better athlete.
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Old 06-08-2023, 11:23 AM   #23
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Frankly, this is the attitude that every privileged or accomplished person with large accumulated resources should have.

Rather than scraping for more or reaching the next level, hold that perspective of gratitude for how far you've come, how much you've been given, and see how you can help others through your position.

But that's just my perspective. To each their own.

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Agree with everything except that he was not ‘given’ what he has. He earned it.
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Old 06-08-2023, 01:47 PM   #24
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Was thinking about this earlier this morning, and it is pretty crazy that they went with an actual Captain, an unofficial Captain on a team without one and then some rando on a team that actually has a Captain.

Edit: only 6 times has someone won this award without being their team's Captain. Lundquist (Goalies can't be captains), Dumba, Hamonic, D. Sedin (he was a co-winner with his brother, who was the Captain), Linden (he used to be their Captain, but was stripped of the C prior to winning) and Ferrence in Edmonton. Interesting that 2 of Edmonton's 3 wins have been guys that weren't even the Captain... what does that say about either Edmonton's captains, or Edmonton's criteria for naming a Captain?

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Old 06-08-2023, 02:29 PM   #25
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Was thinking about this earlier this morning, and it is pretty crazy that they went with an actual Captain, an unofficial Captain on a team without one and then some rando on a team that actually has a Captain.

Edit: only 6 times has someone won this award without being their team's Captain. Lundquist (Goalies can't be captains), Dumba, Hamonic, D. Sedin (he was a co-winner with his brother, who was the Captain), Linden (he used to be their Captain, but was stripped of the C prior to winning) and Ferrence in Edmonton. Interesting that 2 of Edmonton's 3 wins have been guys that weren't even the Captain... what does that say about either Edmonton's captains, or Edmonton's criteria for naming a Captain?
Not sure where you got that info. Ference was the Oilers' Captain.

Just looked through the list and saw Rinne, Zucker, Bergeron, Kolzig, Shanahan, Podein, Cujo, Rob Ray, Kris King, Adam Graves, among many others who were not Captains. I don't see Lundquist as ever having won it either?

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Agree with everything except that he was not ‘given’ what he has. He earned it.
Pretty much implied. But also no one goes into life expecting to even have the chance to earn an upper echelon kind of living playing a kids game. I get the sense that Backlund very much sees his career as a gift in many ways, as much as he has earned it. And I think for any one that carves out a career in that kind of profession it's a good attitude to have. The right attitude.
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Old 06-08-2023, 02:49 PM   #27
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Looking at winners it's more about community leadership than team leadership, and there's the Messier (ptew) award for the latter as well. And then there's the Masterton which used to just be about dedication but now is only awarded to players who have some unusual amount of suffering.
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Old 06-08-2023, 02:57 PM   #28
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Not sure where you got that info. Ference was the Oilers' Captain.

Just looked through the list and saw Rinne, Zucker, Bergeron, Kolzig, Shanahan, Podein, Cujo, Rob Ray, Kris King, Adam Graves, among many others who were not Captains. I don't see Lundquist as ever having won it either?
I blame ChatGPT.

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can you list the nhl players that have won the Clancy without being their team's captain?

I'm sorry for any inconvenience, but I can't provide an updated list of NHL players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy without being their team's captain, as my training only includes data up until September 2021.

The King Clancy Memorial Trophy is an annual award given "to the player who best exemplifies leadership qualities on and off the ice and has made a noteworthy humanitarian contribution in his community." It's not uncommon for this award to go to players who are captains, as they often display strong leadership skills both on and off the ice.

As of my last update, a notable example is Henrik Lundqvist, a goalie for the New York Rangers who won the award in 2020 despite not being the team captain. Matt Dumba also won the trophy in 2020 while playing for the Minnesota Wild, also not serving as team captain at the time.

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that's ok, up to 2021 is fine

Alright, here are some notable players who have won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy without being their team's captain up until 2021:

Henrik Lundqvist - He won the award in 2020 while playing as a goalie for the New York Rangers. Despite not being the team captain, Lundqvist was a key figure both on and off the ice.

Matt Dumba - Dumba won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy in 2020 while playing for the Minnesota Wild. He was recognized for his efforts to make hockey more inclusive through the Hockey Diversity Alliance.

Daniel and Henrik Sedin - The Sedin brothers shared the King Clancy Memorial Trophy in 2018. At that time, Henrik was the captain of the Vancouver Canucks, but Daniel was not. They were recognized for their leadership on and off the ice, as well as their significant community work.

Travis Hamonic - He won the award in 2017 while playing for the New York Islanders. Despite not being the team captain, Hamonic was heavily involved in community service, including the establishment of a program for children who have lost a parent at a young age.

Andrew Ference - He won the award in 2014 while playing for the Edmonton Oilers. Although he was named captain later in his career, he wasn't serving as team captain when he won the award.

Trevor Linden - Linden won the award in 1997 while playing for the Vancouver Canucks. Linden had previously served as the Canucks' captain but was not holding that role at the time he won the King Clancy award.

These players exemplify how leadership and contribution to the community extend beyond the captain's "C" on the jersey.
Edit: Although, as I now re-read its blurbs on each player, I notice it thinks both Lundquist and Dumba won it in 2020...
Edit: If I just looked at the same list of award winners I looked at yesterday (the one on NHL.com) instead of being lazy and using ChatGPT, I wouldn't have even bother posting anything at all, since it's obvious just from looking that it's way more common than I thought.

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Lunqvist was runner up to Dumba (also a runner up the year before). But in a way he won because even the runner up award comes with money to donate to a cause. So he won a prize.
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