2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I don't think acquiring Konecny has much of an impact on Lindholm at all. If anything it might entice him to stay but the cap is going to be hard to manage.

The second the Flames signed Kadri it made signing Lindholm very difficult. We are paying our 2nd line center 7 million dollars and Lindholm brings so much more than Kadri does to the table.

I'm all for acquiring Konecny though assuming that we can center the deal around Mangiapane. The cap would essentially have to equal to make things work.

If Conroy could ship Kadri back to Colorado with a bit of retention I would also look to do so. Backlund is still a more than capable 2C and you could give Dube the 3C role and slowly prepare him to take over the 2C in 2025. I don't think it's out of question that Dube could become a viable 2C with his bite speed and skill.

Not sure the rebuilding Flyers would ship out Konecny centred around a Mangiapane return? They would be looking for prospects/futures presumably.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Man the flames consistently ####ing suck hard at taking advantage of trade opportunities. Provorov is worse than hanifin. We could have had a great return for hanifin from Columbus. The teams were already rumored to be talking... it's just stupid that we're again going to hold on to #### players who can't win because of some arcane one sided loyalty to the club we've built around them. ####in hell. They're really going to try to run this steaming pile of #### back to the end zone.

I assume Option A for the Flames is to re-sign Hanafin and trading him would be Option B. You don't skip to Option B just because one of the other 31 teams is actively looking to acquire a defenseman. I'm sure there will be plenty of teams interested in acquiring him if he's made available and all this trade does is set up expected compensation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I assume Option A for the Flames is to re-sign Hanafin and trading him would be Option B. You don't skip to Option B just because one of the other 31 teams is actively looking to acquire a defenseman. I'm sure there will be plenty of teams interested in acquiring him if he's made available and all this trade does is set up expected compensation.

Hanifin to me seems like one of the more likely to re-sign. And he’s the youngest and still in his prime so it’s a better bet as well.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Man the flames consistently ####ing suck hard at taking advantage of trade opportunities. Provorov is worse than hanifin. We could have had a great return for hanifin from Columbus. The teams were already rumored to be talking... it's just stupid that we're again going to hold on to #### players who can't win because of some arcane one sided loyalty to the club we've built around them. ####in hell. They're really going to try to run this steaming pile of #### back to the end zone.

lol or Hanifin has Columbus on his no trade list. Maybe see how the offseason goes before jumping off the ledge

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol or Hanifin has Columbus on his no trade list. Maybe see how the offseason goes before jumping off the ledge

I think even if they move on from him the prices will get higher. That wouldn’t be a great return for him.

[really?]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How about in 2024 when we would have the advantage of Konecny playing vs. No one as Lindholm would have left?

If the Flames acquired Konecny and Lindholm was still here in 2023 that means another chunk of the future has been dealt to strengthen the team for 2023. If after that attempt Lindholm were to be gone in 2024 one of two things has likely happened. Either the Flames were contenders at the deadline, retained Lindholm and he chose to walk into free agency, or they were out of contention and traded him at the deadline. Assuming Lindholm is gone in 2024, I don't see a scenario where the Flames would be stronger with Konecny than they are now. If Lindholm leaves via free agency, you get nothing for him and pick from the scrap pile to fill his void or look to an increasingly depleted pool of prospects to fill the void. In the event he were traded at the deadline, that's a deal for future assets and would be a lateral move at best as the team would have already dealt future assets to acquire Konecny. In either case the 2024 version of the Flames is likely better with Konecny than without him, but not better than a team that has Lindholm as well.

In the event the Flames did enter the season with Lindholm and Konecny on the roster in 2023, they are likely backed into a corner where they will have to overpay Lindholm and Konecny as their contracts expire over the next couple of years, which will leave the Flames with longgg term deals for 4 players heading into the back nine holes of their careers. Whoever would be left in charge of watching that unfold for half a decade would have my sympathies. If Craig Conroy is smart he won't position himself to be the guy who crafted that scenario. That appears to be Ron Hextall's MO.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I do think that the direction the Flames take is likely up to what Lindholm wants to do. Conroy specifically mentioned how it was a mistake losing Gaudreau for nothing, so I can't envision a scenario that the Flames find themselves at the trade deadline with an unsigned Lindholm. I think he either extends this off-season, or he is traded before the season starts. I would assume that Conroy wants clarity as to the direction that he needs to take - either to do a mini-rebuild, or to have enough time to explore trades with other teams for a replacement centre.


It will be interesting to see if Conroy ends up doing a significant retool (or mini-rebuild) if Lindholm decides not to extend in Calgary. I don't think that the appetite is very strong in Calgary any longer to allow further assets to walk for free.


I think Konecny is a great target for the Flames, but only if Lindholm stays. I guess we will just have to all wait to see what direction this is going in. I am all for a rebuild, but I think the Flames will only rebuild if they are dragged kicking and screaming into one again - I think the rebuild only if they find themselves at the bottom of the standings 'by accident', rather than by design. A significant retool / 1 season 'mini-rebuild' where the Flames essentially regroup? Sure, I can see it. Maybe even 2 seasons (which is basically what the Flames did in their rebuild before Treliving started spending assets to improve).


I have no clue what the Flames really end up doing, but I would be flabbergasted to see Lindholm a Flame anywhere near the trade deadline without being re-signed. That's about the only certainty I have when it comes to the team at the moment.

[Tbull8]

It wouldn't be a 1:1 tradeoff, but if Lindy doesn't want to sign long term and gets moved for futures, maybe we package some futures and go trade for a guy like Nick Schmaltz. We likely still end up net positive in assets and he is still a good top 6 center.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s a fine player, but is he a difference maker? Or is he just more of that middle tier player that keeps us where we are?

The Flames aren’t rebuilding. And it’s difficult to see how they’ll be able to bring in an elite player. So as far as the re-tool goes, it’s going to be players like Konecny that they’ll be targetting.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I do think that the direction the Flames take is likely up to what Lindholm wants to do. Conroy specifically mentioned how it was a mistake losing Gaudreau for nothing, so I can't envision a scenario that the Flames find themselves at the trade deadline with an unsigned Lindholm. I think he either extends this off-season, or he is traded before the season starts. I would assume that Conroy wants clarity as to the direction that he needs to take - either to do a mini-rebuild, or to have enough time to explore trades with other teams for a replacement centre.


It will be interesting to see if Conroy ends up doing a significant retool (or mini-rebuild) if Lindholm decides not to extend in Calgary. I don't think that the appetite is very strong in Calgary any longer to allow further assets to walk for free.


I think Konecny is a great target for the Flames, but only if Lindholm stays. I guess we will just have to all wait to see what direction this is going in. I am all for a rebuild, but I think the Flames will only rebuild if they are dragged kicking and screaming into one again - I think the rebuild only if they find themselves at the bottom of the standings 'by accident', rather than by design. A significant retool / 1 season 'mini-rebuild' where the Flames essentially regroup? Sure, I can see it. Maybe even 2 seasons (which is basically what the Flames did in their rebuild before Treliving started spending assets to improve).


I have no clue what the Flames really end up doing, but I would be flabbergasted to see Lindholm a Flame anywhere near the trade deadline without being re-signed. That's about the only certainty I have when it comes to the team at the moment.

Is a true rebuild happening with the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts essentially unmovable and on the books for a long time?

I'd at least like to see what this team can do under a regular coach. I'd like to see a lineup of:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Konecny
Mangiapane-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Backlund-Coleman
Duehr/Pelletier/Coronato/Ruzicka (whoever makes the cut and can be shuffled up the lineup as necessary/earned)

It's just enough of a change to bring a lot of excitement back into the lineup. Swapping out a d-man for a more offensive d-man could also make a huge difference.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames aren’t rebuilding. And it’s difficult to see how they’ll be able to bring in an elite player. So as far as the re-tool goes, it’s going to be players like Konecny that they’ll be targetting.

Can we as definitively say they're not rebuilding?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Can we as definitively say they're not rebuilding?

I don't think our team is bad enough to go the "rebuild" route per se. But, We are definitely trying to retool with the right group of players. I personally would like Konecny because he's a guy that would likely re-sign here in Calgary.

[Toonage]

If Sec214's info is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt them) it sounded like Conroy was able to convince ownership of, at the very least, a retool.

That said I wouldn't expect moving assets for a player like Konecny.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Can we as definitively say they're not rebuilding?

Unless Edwards has had a 180 degree change in outlook in the last few weeks, it’s unlikely.

Though I suppose things could change if Lindholm declares that he’s definitely not coming back. Even then, I think it would be likely Conroy would turn the assets he got for Lindholm into players rather than picks and prospect.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Sec214's info is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt them) it sounded like Conroy was able to convince ownership of, at the very least, a retool.

That said I wouldn't expect moving assets for a player like Konecny.

This.
It would also align with what I’ve heard as well.
Sounds like they won’t be going scorched earth rebuild where we sell everything, but you could see some guys moving on you didn’t think they’d move previously.

Conroys given a complete different direction and philosophy and Edwards/ownership seem to be on board with it for now at least.
214 sounds like he has a very good source, mine is more player related.

[Ashasx]

Craig Conroy - franchise saviour?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

It wouldn't be a 1:1 tradeoff, but if Lindy doesn't want to sign long term and gets moved for futures, maybe we package some futures and go trade for a guy like Nick Schmaltz. We likely still end up net positive in assets and he is still a good top 6 center.

I like Chandler Stephenson. He's a guy who will want more than Vegas can afford long term (especially if they want to keep Barbashev) but less than Lindholm is going to want IMO.

Vegas has 3.4 in cap. They have UFAs Barbashev, Hill, Brossoit (likely cut loose) and Howden is RFA. They have pending UFAs Marchessault, Stephenson, Carrier and Martinez. And assuming Lehner gets healthy they have an extra $5M to get rid of.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by blankall

Is a true rebuild happening with the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts essentially unmovable and on the books for a long time?

Not saying they would or should but the Sharks, Hawks and Habs are in full rebuilds with big money long term contracts on the books. If they can't get Lindholm signed to a decent deal they have to trade him and I don't see how a decent deal is likely given what Horvat got.

This team is headed for a forced rebuild just in time for the new arena which seems crazy. Conroy has a real mess to clean up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Sec214's info is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt them) it sounded like Conroy was able to convince ownership of, at the very least, a retool.

That said I wouldn't expect moving assets for a player like Konecny.

I think they could easily move future assets for Konecny. I think the Flames top mandates after hiring a coach are figuring out the 7 pending free agents with Lindholm and Hanifin at the top of the list. If those players want to move on I could see them being traded in deals that bring in primarily future assets. In turn I could see the Flames using some of those or their own future assets to add a player like Konecny as I feel another huge priority for them is finding someone who can play with Huberdeau.

Could I see a situation where they acquire futures for one or more of Lindholm/Hanifin/Toffoli and then use some of those assets to add a piece that helps right away and years to come

[Spurs]

I don’t think a re-tool will work or is what the club needs but I guess it is better than going all in so that is a positive.