2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Someone PLEASE rescue Dylan Holloway from that organization, before they turn him into the next Yamamoto/Puljujarvi!!

Ahem, that's The Beast you speak of.

[MrMike]

I’d say there’s definitely a point to trading Vladar. You have two nets for practice. Wolf has proven everything he has needed to deserve to be the back-up goalie here. Even if he only gets 25 games because Markstrom gets his mojo back, the kid deserves to be in the NHL. Even just practicing with the big boys, it’s his time.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I’d say there’s definitely a point to trading Vladar. You have two nets for practice. Wolf has proven everything he has needed to deserve to be the back-up goalie here. Even if he only gets 25 games because Markstrom gets his mojo back, the kid deserves to be in the NHL. Even just practicing with the big boys, it’s his time.

I see the point in retaining Vladar in case of injury. Markstrom is prone to injury. Vladar could potentially.

I think my game plan would be rolling with Markstrom and Vladar, but making it very clear to Wolf that he is absolutely in the plans long term. Figure out a deal at the deadline. Teams, especially contending ones, will generally look for a goalie if they need one or if they are the ones with injuries and not us.

I’m fine with either decision. It’s a tough one for Conroy but it’s definitely not the toughest one to tackle. Perhaps Vladar is packaged with one of the 7 UFAs for a better pick or prospect.

[Ped]

I don't think there's a chance, after all the "Sutter won't play youngsters" stuff that happened last season, that the Flames don't go into preseason with the backup job Wolf's to lose. I can't see anyway after the career he's had at every level, that they just let him come into camp behind two veterans and tell him to keep waiting.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Between Dylan Holloway on the Oilers, and Juraj Slafkovsky on the Habs, who was more improperly rushed this year?

Hard to say, I’m not so sure how good Slafkovsky was to begin with. A lot of his hype came from his performance at the WC.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't see why it would be bad to have 3 goalies, especially since Wolf can go up and down without clearing waivers.

Goalies are voodoo, so you never know which one will get hot when you need them, see Vegas and Florida. All 3 of the Flames goalies could potentially do that.

Wolf also needs to play, if Marky is the starter, it's better for Wolf to play in the AHL then just sit on the bench and open the door.
In case of injury, its' always good to have NHL ready goalies, especially good goalies. You trade Vladar and one of Marky or Wolf get injured, and you are in trouble. Unless you have a 3rd goalie who is good, which most teams do not have.

I get the argument of not having veteran skaters preventing young skaters from making the team, but the goalie position is a little different. I think it's a great situation that Wolf doesn't have to clear waivers to go up and down and it's not like he has to travel either.

Unless the Flames get an incredible offer for Vladar, there is no point trading him.

Cause it really screws with all of the guys confidence.

Goalies are the most "stick to the routine" players on the team. Its why the 3-headed-monster scenario truly never works.

If Wolf is ready. then he has to be named to the team after camp.

Im guessing Vladars trade value will be highest this summer, so they have to pounce now, but only if they are certain Wolf is ready for NHL level shots etc.

[butterfly]

I don't know, hockey's weird. Last year Adin Hill was a backup on the Sharks and Sergei Bobrovsky was overpaid and washed up. Now they're backstopping teams to the Stanley Cup.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't know, hockey's weird. Last year Adin Hill was a backup on the Sharks and Sergei Bobrovsky was overpaid and washed up. Now they're backstopping teams to the Stanley Cup.

Goalies can never be counted out.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't know, hockey's weird. Last year Adin Hill was a backup on the Sharks and Sergei Bobrovsky was overpaid and washed up. Now they're backstopping teams to the Stanley Cup.

Yeah, remember Tim Thomas was deemed as washed up and then back stopped the Bruins to SC champion and won the Conn Symthe as a tender age of 37.

[BurningSteel]

Vladar to TO??

[Ped]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Yeah, remember Tim Thomas was deemed as washed up and then back stopped the Bruins to SC champion and won the Conn Symthe as a tender age of 37.

Not exactly. He was more a never-was. He didn't play his first NHL game until 9 years after he was drafted. Finally became a regular at age 31, and in the five seasons before he won the Cup, had save percentages of 91.7, 90.5, 92.1, 93.3, and 91.5.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

Vladar to TO??

Now THAT is a probable suggestion!

[Sandman]

Another controversial opinion, but I’ve never been a fan of Markstrom his whole career, save for 1.5 years in a Flames uniform. I wasn’t very stoked when we signed him. I think he’s a guy who found some traction in his prime years, and hit it big for awhile, but is otherwise a pretty mediocre goalie. Vladar looked like the better goalie for a big chunk of the year, and I would be hesitant to let him go- I think he still has promise, even at his age. I realize though, that there’s not many teams who would want Marky’s contract right now.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Ped

Not exactly. He was more a never-was. He didn't play his first NHL game until 9 years after he was drafted. Finally became a regular at age 31, and in the five seasons before he won the Cup, had save percentages of 91.7, 90.5, 92.1, 93.3, and 91.5.

I had to look that one up but I'm surprised how old he was. Although he did win 2 Vezinas in 3 years including the year they won the Cup.

[bluejays]

I think there are some similarities with the Jays with their Catcher situation last year, and our goaltender situation this year. To me, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think Markstrom bounces back. But it seems the Jays are fully intent on seeing if he can regain any form. To me he's the equivalent of Janssen last year. Then you have Vladar who some see as starter potential but to me has upside of a capable backup. Wolf has earned a callup and should be the future but deserves some amount of games to see what his NHL potential is.


Anyway, I know it's not ideal, but I really think the Flames should keep all three. I mean, if it were me I'd look to get out of Markstrom's deal through a trade, but let's assume that can't happen, I'd keep all. Simply put if you deal Vladar you're assuming Wolf is the backup. If Markstrom is crap (which I think there's a high chance of), Wolf automatically has to take the reins. That's too much pressure on him to be thrown into the fire. I'd just go with Markstrom/Vladar, with the occasional callup for Wolf. I really wanna see the guy succeed and put in the right position to build his confidence.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I think there are some similarities with the Jays with their Catcher situation last year, and our goaltender situation this year. To me, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think Markstrom bounces back. But it seems the Jays are fully intent on seeing if he can regain any form. To me he's the equivalent of Janssen last year. Then you have Vladar who some see as starter potential but to me has upside of a capable backup. Wolf has earned a callup and should be the future but deserves some amount of games to see what his NHL potential is.


Anyway, I know it's not ideal, but I really think the Flames should keep all three. I mean, if it were me I'd look to get out of Markstrom's deal through a trade, but let's assume that can't happen, I'd keep all. Simply put if you deal Vladar you're assuming Wolf is the backup. If Markstrom is crap (which I think there's a high chance of), Wolf automatically has to take the reins. That's too much pressure on him to be thrown into the fire. I'd just go with Markstrom/Vladar, with the occasional callup for Wolf. I really wanna see the guy succeed and put in the right position to build his confidence.

I don't really see the similarity since both their catchers had good seasons last year. And usually whoever wasn't catching was DHing anyway.

I think the Flames kind of have to trade one of them, whose name is probably Vladar, since Markstrom is the one with the NMC and high salary. Throwing Wolf into the fire would be promoting a 7th round pick from junior into the NHL. I don't think it's much of a fire after winning back-to-back AHL goalie MVP awards.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Another controversial opinion, but I’ve never been a fan of Markstrom his whole career, save for 1.5 years in a Flames uniform. I wasn’t very stoked when we signed him. I think he’s a guy who found some traction in his prime years, and hit it big for awhile, but is otherwise a pretty mediocre goalie. Vladar looked like the better goalie for a big chunk of the year, and I would be hesitant to let him go- I think he still has promise, even at his age. I realize though, that there’s not many teams who would want Marky’s contract right now.

May be Maple Tree?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

May be Maple Tree?

Maple Tree?!? Lol.

He owes us a favour, dammit!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I think there are some similarities with the Jays with their Catcher situation last year, and our goaltender situation this year. To me, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think Markstrom bounces back. But it seems the Jays are fully intent on seeing if he can regain any form. To me he's the equivalent of Janssen last year. Then you have Vladar who some see as starter potential but to me has upside of a capable backup. Wolf has earned a callup and should be the future but deserves some amount of games to see what his NHL potential is.


Anyway, I know it's not ideal, but I really think the Flames should keep all three. I mean, if it were me I'd look to get out of Markstrom's deal through a trade, but let's assume that can't happen, I'd keep all. Simply put if you deal Vladar you're assuming Wolf is the backup. If Markstrom is crap (which I think there's a high chance of), Wolf automatically has to take the reins. That's too much pressure on him to be thrown into the fire. I'd just go with Markstrom/Vladar, with the occasional callup for Wolf. I really wanna see the guy succeed and put in the right position to build his confidence.

I think Management would agree with you.

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