[News] Treliving named Leafs GM

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Really? he only made "bold moves" when he was forced to and it was often too late

Point being he won't trade any core Leafs unless he is forced to

IMO

They will run it back and them, their fans, and media will be dumbfounded when the result is the same.

Heck they will lose Bunting who was actually pretty good for them...I bet he does well elsewhere away from the spotlight.

Not sure that is 100% fair.

I'd say trading for Hamilton to start with was bold...same with the Hamonic trade.

Then the Hamilton trade pt 2 itself was bold...even if Hamilton wasn't happy (don't think a trade demand was ever confirmed...just that end of season chat was skipped and Hamilton wasn't happy here).

He tried to make the Brodie+Jankowski for Kadri+Brown trade (FFS this still angers me because I look at the direction Colorado went after making their version of this deal).

And I'd say a lot of his UFA signings were bold too Neal, Markstrom, Coleman, Tanev, Kadri, etc.

There are things to like about Trelivings time in Calgary...I don't think being over-patient or not making big moves is one of them. I'd argue he wasn't patient enough at times actually.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I'd love Nylander on the Flames. I think he'd thrive as 'the guy' on another team. He's third on the Leafs at best.

And native Calgarian.. technically.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You guys have sort memories

Hamilton wanted out of Calgary...Brad said, and I quote on the day of the deal he "wanted players that wanted to play in Calgary." Hamilton was mad they waived his brother

You assume he meant Hamilton and not Fox, who for sure didn't want to play in Calgary.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not sure that is 100% fair.

I'd say trading for Hamilton to start with was bold...same with the Hamonic trade.

Then the Hamilton trade itself was bold...even if Hamilton wasn't happy (don't think a trade demand was ever confirmed...just that Hamilton wasn't happy here).

He tried to make the Brodie+Jankowski for Kadri+Brown trade (FFS this still angers me because I look at the direction Colorado went after making their version of this deal).

And I'd say a lot of his UFA signings were bold too Neal, Markstrom, Coleman, Tanev, Kadri, etc.

There are things to like about Trelivings time in Calgary...I don't think being over-patient or not making big moves is one of them. I'd argue he wasn't patient enough at times actually.

Hamilton made it clear he didn't want to be here. IMO dino's comment is on the mark. Ferland is about the only example of a guy he dealt before he wanted out.

Hamilton, Hamonic, all the UFA signings - he focused on adding to the team without taking from the team.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You assume he meant Hamilton and not Fox, who for sure didn't want to play in Calgary.

Hamilton skipped out on the end of season interviews and made it clear he was unhappy. I'm very sure he was referring to Hamilton, Fox hadn't even signed yet so they could only trade his rights.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Hamilton made it clear he didn't want to be here. IMO dino's comment is on the mark. Ferland is about the only example of a guy he dealt before he wanted out.

Hamilton, Hamonic, all the UFA signings - he focused on adding to the team without taking from the team.

I had forgotten some other names like Glencross and Hudler that he moved out too that would have been considered "core" guys at the time.

Personally I think it all comes down to the lifecycle of building a team. Most GMs move out players early in the building process (mostly moving guys they didn't bring in), and then try to build a team up from there.

I don't think Treliving is uncommon in that perspective and wouldn't say he didn't make a bold move because of that.

What players did Sakic bring in or move on from in Colorado that didn't ask for a trade?

Same with Tampa when they were building?

The goal is to improve the team without subtracting core pieces for most GMs.

[home_sweet_dome]

Treliving's Flames tenure can best be summarized by:

Trading Monahan and a 1st for cap room to sign 32 year old Kadri to a 7 * $7M contract.

Horrendous cap management - check
Horrendous asset management - check
Viewed positively by majority of media and fans - check

While he was far from the worst GM in franchise history he's definitely the most over-rated IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Hamilton made it clear he didn't want to be here. IMO dino's comment is on the mark. Ferland is about the only example of a guy he dealt before he wanted out.

Hamilton, Hamonic, all the UFA signings - he focused on adding to the team without taking from the team.

Even with a trade request (which I don't think was actually made) it was a bold move, as they say. Most pundits figured he lost it because "best player traded" and all.

As someone above said - any time a top player is traded there's some sort of pressure involved - from the player, from contract, from the cap and other players needs, etc. I'm hard pressed to think of a counter example.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Treliving's Flames tenure can best be summarized by:

Trading Monahan and a 1st for cap room to sign 32 year old Kadri to a 7 * $7M contract.

Horrendous cap management - check
Horrendous asset management - check
Viewed positively by majority of media and fans - check

While he was far from the worst GM in franchise history he's definitely the most over-rated IMO.

Strange then how the Flames wanted him back and he was just hired by a team that is valued as the second highest in the league. You would figure a GM who ranks horrendously in these two critical areas would never see the light of day again.

I would say it’s 50/50 on how fans view him. It’s not edgy in the least to complain about his work, I would say it was pretty common around here for the majority of his stay.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Strange then how the Flames wanted him back and he was just hired by a team that is valued as the second highest in the league.

I would say it’s 50/50 on how fans view him. It’s not edgy in the least to complain about his work, I would say it was pretty common around here for the majority of his stay.

lol WTF does that have to do with anything???

The team hasn't made a cup final since 1967 they are not the standard for good decisions

Vegas has done it twice in 6 years

lol @ TO fan showing up and saying how awesome Tre was suddenly for some odd reason


I bet you over 50% would take Conroy over Tre

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Hamilton made it clear he didn't want to be here. IMO dino's comment is on the mark. Ferland is about the only example of a guy he dealt before he wanted out.

Hamilton, Hamonic, all the UFA signings - he focused on adding to the team without taking from the team.

When Strange Brew agrees with me you know my point must be 100% accurate!

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You guys have sort memories

Hamilton wanted out of Calgary...Brad said, and I quote on the day of the deal he "wanted players that wanted to play in Calgary." Hamilton was mad they waived his brother

I thought he just hated Moxies

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol WTF does that have to do with anything???

The team hasn't made a cup final since 1967 they are not the standard for good decisions

Vegas has done it twice in 6 years

lol @ TO fan showing up and saying how awesome Tre was suddenly for some odd reason


I bet you over 50% would take Conroy over Tre

I think the point is that the Toronto GM position would be considered a premium position in the league for one of the most historic teams with one of the largest fan bases.

And I think that's true.

I would say the only thing that makes the position less desirable is that you have Shanny over the top, and that seemed to be an issue with Dubas in terms of not having a direct line to the very top.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol WTF does that have to do with anything???

The team hasn't made a cup final since 1967 they are not the standard for good decisions

Vegas has done it twice in 6 years

lol @ TO fan showing up and saying how awesome Tre was suddenly for some odd reason


I bet you over 50% would take Conroy over Tre

No need to get excited, pal. You seem to be flying off the handle a little bit.

Point being, if you’re the GM of the second highest valued professional hockey team in the world, you’re probably better than ‘horrendous’.

If you’re familiar with my posting history at all, you’ll know I’be mostly been on board with Treliving for years. I didn’t just land here today from Toronto to stir things up. By the looks of things, I’ve been here 8 years longer than you.

Vegas has nothing to do with this discussion and I’m not too sure why you would even bring it up.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the point is that the Toronto GM position would be considered a premium position in the league for one of the most historic teams with one of the largest fan bases.

And I think that's true.

I would say the only thing that makes the position less desirable is that you have Shanny over the top, and that seemed to be an issue with Dubas in terms of not having a direct line to the very top.

Which is why I think it is an odd fit for Treliving. In two years one of them will be gone

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

No need to get excited, pal. You seem to be flying off the handle a little bit.

Point being, if you’re the GM of the second highest valued professional hockey team in the world, you’re probably better than ‘horrendous’.

If you’re familiar with my posting history at all, you’ll know I’be mostly been on board with Treliving for years. I didn’t just land here today from Toronto to stir things up. By the looks of things, I’ve been here 8 years longer than you.

Vegas has nothing to do with this discussion and I’m not too sure why you would even bring it up.

I never said he was horrendous...he is average

his "bold move" stuff is kinda nonsense though...he didn't make the real tough moves like Gaudreau (either sign or move) or getting rid of Frolik to sign Tkachuk to 8 years.

I HIGHLY doubt TO makes any major core moves...they will run in back with their new head of PR.

By all accounts Dubas wanting to make a big move got him shown the door.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Treliving's Flames tenure can best be summarized by:

Trading Monahan and a 1st for cap room to sign 32 year old Kadri to a 7 * $7M contract.

Horrendous cap management - check
Horrendous asset management - check
Viewed positively by majority of media and fans - check

While he was far from the worst GM in franchise history he's definitely the most over-rated IMO.

I think the leafs have a core that could make Tre look good, but for a team without a high-end core, bleeding assets was painful

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I never said he was horrendous...he is average

his "bold move" stuff is kinda nonsense though...he didn't make the real tough moves like Gaudreau (either sign or move) or getting rid of Frolik to sign Tkachuk to 8 years.

I HIGHLY doubt TO makes any major core moves...they will run in back with their new head of PR.

By all accounts Dubas wanting to make a big move got him shown the door.

I’m not sure I’ve seen this. Where did that come from?

Every reliable source I’ve heard spoke about how Dubas wanted more $ and autonomy.

Regarding the bold moves; a first and two seconds for either Hamilton or Hamonic wasn’t bold? SuperMatt pointed out several bold moves.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The last time we lost our GM to Toronto and hired a rookie GM this happened:


Flames traded Gilmour, Ric Nattress, Jamie Macoun, Kent Manderville and Rick Wamsley to Toronto for Gary Leeman, Craig Berube, Alexander Godynyuk, Michel Petit and Jeff Reese.


The spiral down the toilet began in earnest...
I hope Conny looks back, far back..

A rookie GM ex-Calgary Flame hockey player to boot!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Treliving has been facked over by geography so many times and still has a 100 point team...boggles the mind some still doubt him

Wonder what has changed that Dino7c is now the one doubting Treliving...