[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I dearly hope that you nor anyone you love develops cancer or another disease in the next 4 years. But if that does come to pass, I hope you remember the utter foolishness of your statements.

I think the only way these selfish morons ever realize how bad things are is when they themselves have to suffer. And if that's what it takes, well, suffer away, I'm ####ing sick of it.

[Fuzz]

It's probably also a good time to going back to ignoring Yoho the clown.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yoho is a troll bro. Just ignore it.

He's an ignorant little worm, as disgusting outside as he is in. He's a troll in the same way a dung beetle is a janitor.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also, if you haven't yet established that we know each other in real life, you're far more stupid than I thought.

Don’t bother introducing yourself.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

https://cpsa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...rly-Report.pdf

Heres the quarterly update on Physician resources in Alberta if anyone wants the actual numbers. Which I know no one does!

"To put this in perspective, report 4 (Summary of Inflows and Outflows) reflects an inflow of 137 physicians during the fourth quarter. Offsetting the overall inflow of
physicians was an outflow of 76 physicians. Please refer to Report 4 for further explanation on the inflows and outflows that occurred during this quarter."

Almost exactly the 2-1 ratio that was stated earlier on migration

A few things:

1) That doesn't represent migration; it's simply the number of doctors who are practising in Alberta in different time periods, so that includes losses to retirement and whatnot.

2) That's not a particularly encouraging stat. Alberta had 254 more doctors at the end of 2022 vs. the end of 2021. But that only represents a 2.3% increase in a province that had its population increase by 3.7% in the same time period. So they'd need to increase that by 60% just to maintain the same ratio as before, never mind actually improve things.

3) If you look at the regional breakdown, the growth was almost entirely in the cities. The South Zone actually lost almost 4% of their doctors in the last year and the North Zone was more or less flat. That doesn't bode well for the future of medical access outside the cities.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Hey I voted NDP, we are on the same team!

This forum (not necessarily CP overall but off topic) is most definitely left leaning. Smith going extreme right with Trump style conservatism may put more people to the left of whatever Smith is, but it does not in any way change that.

Agree to disagree.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by firebot

hey i voted ndp, we are on the same team!

This forum (not necessarily cp overall but off topic) is most definitely left leaning. Smith going extreme right with trump style conservatism may put more people to the left of whatever smith is, but it does not in any way change that.

theres no team

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also, if you haven't yet established that we know each other in real life, you're far more stupid than I thought.

Real interesting.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also, if you haven't yet established that we know each other in real life, you're far more stupid than I thought.

I, for one, am shocked to hear Yoho is also an ####### out there in meatspace. Shocked. I may need my fainting couch. Does he drive a black Ram pickup?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

My guess is the majority of the people looking to leave will realize very quickly there are not the same job opportunities, low cost of living, and quality of life that Alberta provides.

Lots of people talk about it, but very few people actually move provinces because of politics. People move move because of economic opportunities, family, housing, or cost of living. The relative cost of housing in AB vs B.C and Ontario will have far more impact on population shifts between the provinces than who wins provincial elections.

[iggy_oi]

This just in: Divide and conquer continues to be an effective tactic for politicians of all stripes

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's outrageous that some people are treating this like a team game. [...]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I dearly hope that you nor anyone you love develops cancer or another disease in the next 4 years. [...]

Go on....

[MoneyGuy]

On Twitter I saw lots of Americans angrily scream that they’d leave the country if their election didn’t go their way. I’m sure almost no one did. Same here.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would love to see these stats on who’s leaving. I hope that it’s not just fear mongering because that’s all you have left when you take your bell and go home.

You lost get over it.

Originally Posted by Yoho

The bluffs been called.

It isn't only about people leaving look at the number of doctors coming to Alberta. The fact that there are unfilled residency positions in Alberta is almost unheard of. They can't recruit to rural Alberta and the professional educated population doesn't want to move to Alberta.

The fact is that these are people who you need in Alberta because they are a very finite resource needed for a modern society. The fact you seem to be encouraging them to leave seems like you cutting off your nose to spite your face, which is a shame because you will really need a doctor to help with your face.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...lled-1.6825209

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

On Twitter I saw lots of Americans angrily scream that they’d leave the country if their election didn’t go their way. I’m sure almost no one did. Same here.

It is a lot easier to leave a province than it is to leave a country. I know I'm getting offers and the only thing keeping me in this province is family. The newer graduates who don't have kids or family are leaving Alberta in large numbers from anecdotal perspective at least. We rely on more contract nurses and locum doctors to plug holes that are becoming increasingly evident.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

It isn't only about people leaving look at the number of doctors coming to Alberta. The fact that there are unfilled residency positions in Alberta is almost unheard of. They can't recruit to rural Alberta and the professional educated population doesn't want to move to Alberta.

The fact is that these are people who you need in Alberta because they are a very finite resource needed for a modern society. The fact you seem to be encouraging them to leave seems like you cutting off your nose to spite your face, which is a shame because you will really need a doctor to help with your face.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...lled-1.6825209

The rural physician situation is not a uniquely Alberta problem at all though. Young doctors have no interest or desire in moving away for large urban areas where their friends and families are in order to look after rural communities for x number of years. Even if a rural area was overwhelmingly progressive it would not be a draw for someone that wants more than just a go to work/go home lifestyle.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Agree to disagree.

What do you describe as centrist? Clearly your definition is different than mine. I see myself as right of center, for what its worth and voted for Liberals (yes I've voted for Trudeau), Conservative and now provincial NDP in the past decade.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

It isn't only about people leaving look at the number of doctors coming to Alberta. The fact that there are unfilled residency positions in Alberta is almost unheard of. They can't recruit to rural Alberta and the professional educated population doesn't want to move to Alberta.

The fact is that these are people who you need in Alberta because they are a very finite resource needed for a modern society. The fact you seem to be encouraging them to leave seems like you cutting off your nose to spite your face, which is a shame because you will really need a doctor to help with your face.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...lled-1.6825209

Exactly.

People are saying politics isn’t a reason people leave. Mostly, that’s true. That’s true for someone like Yoho who contributes little. Nobody is worried about people who are moving from one province to another to suck at a different government teat.

However, politics (especially in Canada, where health and education are primarily public endeavours) can have a big impact on how economically viable it is for people in those public spheres to stay where they are. When you have a government that is openly hostile to your profession, why would you not simply move to another province or change professions?

Everybody apparently knew somebody in O&G who was waiting to invest or waiting to bail depending on the outcome of this election. But when actual doctors and teachers are saying “yeah, time to go” they freak out and pretend everyone is lying, even despite the actual evidence of our growing struggles to fill positions in areas like family medicine.

There’s lots of people in Alberta who need doctors. So, why are the doctors leaving? Or, even if you think they aren’t, why aren’t they coming here to fill these vacancies that have grown under UCP watch? If people follow the money and there is money to be made here that nobody seems to want to follow, shouldn’t that be worth addressing?

Or are those doctors just trash people?

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663893086903349250

I love how the media is still trying to find holes in the UCP and Danielle Smith’s majority win.

That was what was so big about this win the coordinated efforts of all the media to go after her and she still won. It’s why all these liberal whiners are so upset. The deck was set and they still screwed it up and floundered to a loss.


This was a huge win for Canada and the trickle down effects of what’s to come are imeasurable. That’s why our friends out east are nervously watching.

Your post makes no sense. A recount would be in Shandro's favor in the picture above since he lost the district. They were just talking about a coupe of seats that could go either way.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The rural physician situation is not a uniquely Alberta problem at all though. Young doctors have no interest or desire in moving away for large urban areas where their friends and families are in order to look after rural communities for x number of years. Even if a rural area was overwhelmingly progressive it would not be a draw for someone that wants more than just a go to work/go home lifestyle.

It’s not about being progressive. It’s about funding and resources. Young doctors were born in rural communities too, just FYI.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Your post makes no sense. A recount would be in Shandro's favor in the picture above since he lost the district. They were just talking about a coupe of seats that could go either way.

Yes that def what the article is trying to convey.