[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I thought you were working?

Nah decided to take off early so I can enjoy this thread while sipping margaritas on the patio.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think there is a good discussion around things like non market sale of hydro electric resources in Manitoba which lowers royalty production and potential capacity of extractive industries versus installed capacities. Essentially if you want to participate you should be developing natural resources you have access to.

I will admit my knowledge of the intricacies of equalization is lacking (however, i would argue most people who complain about it know even less).

I don't personally think it's fair to provinces and voters to withhold money because they are not developing resources - it should be the voters' choice (think eastern slopes mining in Alberta); but, i believe, the idea of equalization is based on fiscal capacity.

So couldn't the potential revenues of a certain resource project count as fiscal capacity of that province? It would be horribly confusing and a bastard to try to calculate, though

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Nah decided to take off early so I can enjoy this thread while sipping margaritas on the patio.

Some people just don't want to work...

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Some people just don't want to work...

I’m able to work and sip margaritas on the patio at the same time.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

This thread went off the rails 40 pages ago when people were challenged to "take the higher ground and refrain from pettiness". That seemed to piss everyone off.

Usually because those challenges come from posters who absolutely can’t resist getting into the fun themselves.

It’s completely meaningless and probably just a challenge to step it up when posters like zamler, wastedyouth, or dieHARD finger wave about decorum, given their posting histories or participation in this very thread. Then people mock them for it, they immediately take the bait, and we’re off to the circus.

Personally, I prefer a good circus.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Nah decided to take off early so I can enjoy this thread while sipping margaritas on the patio.

Get back to work! Big Macs don't make themselves at 330pm...

[you&me]

I think it's time to accept that, regardless of policy and opposition, the NDP brand is simply too toxic to voters in Alberta. It's time that a new party be formed that better aligns with the views of the electorate, without the NDP-branded baggage.

Something that captures the changing views and demographics of the province, while simultaneously acknowledging the broader feelings of the voter base.

Something progressive, yet conservative.

If there's anyone here that can think of a suitable name that's both on-brand and available, I'd love to hear it.

[Matata]

As always, it's only one side of the argument that has dropped the pretense of decorum, while the other side is forced to hold their noses and engage them on their own terms, how utterly reprehensible.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

It IS possible to be a centrist/leftie and vote UCP. I did it. I am pretty liberal in my views and lifestyle/relationships.

I just think the UCP is better economically for our Province and my Municipality. Our MLA, who lives in my actual constituency, is a better representative than the NDP option.

It is possible to be pragmatic when it comes to a voting decision.

All politicians are kind of the worst, just pick the ones that you think will do the best job for you locally and represent your communities needs and values, regardless of their party, is my mindset.

Everything else is just message board/social media outrage and fodder!

I again ask why you were offended by my statement that you are a bigot. You agreed that there are known, vocal bigots in the party and leadership. You agree that you should be choosing politicians that share your community's needs and values.
So you, in fact, agree that your values are bigoted?

Help me make sense of your conflicting statements.

[Mazrim]

Pretty sad day for me. I've got lots of family members who work in health care, not just in Alberta but other provinces. All of them have pretty similar feelings about what's happening in Alberta and I doubt yesterday improved any opinions. I also have family and friends who some UCP candidates think are a blight on society. They woke up today to find out that a majority of Albertans agree with these candidates. Luckily some of them have the ability to pick up and leave, but it'll be sad to see some born and raised Albertans flee the province. And this isn't bluster...some of them have been planning for a while in case this came to pass.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by you&me

I think it's time to accept that, regardless of policy and opposition, the NDP brand is simply too toxic to voters in Alberta. It's time that a new party be formed that better aligns with the views of the electorate, without the NDP-branded baggage.

Something that captures the changing views and demographics of the province, while simultaneously acknowledging the broader feelings of the voter base.

Something progressive, yet conservative.

If there's anyone here that can think of a suitable name that's both on-brand and available, I'd love to hear it.

NBP?

Not Bigots Party

Oh wait, no. They won’t vote for that.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by you&me

I think it's time to accept that, regardless of policy and opposition, the NDP brand is simply too toxic to voters in Alberta. It's time that a new party be formed that better aligns with the views of the electorate, without the NDP-branded baggage.

Something that captures the changing views and demographics of the province, while simultaneously acknowledging the broader feelings of the voter base.

Something progressive, yet conservative.

If there's anyone here that can think of a suitable name that's both on-brand and available, I'd love to hear it.

Progressive Optimistic Open Party.

Easy acronym too.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Pretty sad day for me. I've got lots of family members who work in health care, not just in Alberta but other provinces. All of them have pretty similar feelings about what's happening in Alberta and I doubt yesterday improved any opinions. I also have family and friends who some UCP candidates think are a blight on society. They woke up today to find out that a majority of Albertans agree with these candidates. Luckily some of them have the ability to pick up and leave, but it'll be sad to see some born and raised Albertans flee the province. And this isn't bluster...some of them have been planning for a while in case this came to pass.

Genuinely curious what province they would move to. If that province has a better run health care system it may be something Alberta can use as a model.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

As always, it's only one side of the argument that has dropped the pretense of decorum, while the other side is forced to hold their noses and engage them on their own terms, how utterly reprehensible.

As the resident expert on forum decorum, perhaps there is a fart you could suck out of someone’s ass… like a bong hit.

[Monahammer]

Coalition for Alberta's Future!




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[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Matata

As always, it's only one side of the argument that has dropped the pretense of decorum, while the other side is forced to hold their noses and engage them on their own terms, how utterly reprehensible.

Why do people worry so much about how the other side of a debate behaves? If you’re right it really shouldn’t matter and in most cases should help your position.

[TheIronMaiden]

Well lets hope the AB pension doesn't get ####ed up in the process.

[Monahammer]

The last conservative party in power wrote the current rule book on equalization. KENNEY himself was holding the pen. Harper was Prime Minister!

Seems like you should take it up with those guys if you don't like the formula.

If you're finance oriented, you could consider it a continued payback of the massive funds eastern provinces invested in the west to make it colonizable by europeans. Alberta didn't just spring up with rail tracks and roads and cities from nothing.

Lastly, no money ever goes directly from one province to another. This point is infuriating- it's ignorance or purposeful misrepresentation of the issue at hand. We should be proud to be the engine of Canada, not greedy squandering scoundrels discussing the notion of "5 new arenas per year". Get ####ed if that's your priority over enhancing the quality of life of fellow canadians. Just go live in the woods if you want to think only of yourself.

[Ozy_Flame]

Avocado Toast Progressives and Moderates for a Better Alberta

[Matata]

"As the resident expert on forum decorum, perhaps there is a fart you could suck out of someone’s ass… like a bong hit.'


I thought you wanted a circus? Pick a lane, yeesh.