[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[fotze2]

Over/Under when the mods post "STOP!" and then lock the thread?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by edslunch

One of the UCP's ideas is to create a provincial revenue agency to collect all taxes from Albertans, then withhold a portion of the federal taxes collected to compensate for equalization. There's your constitutional crisis.

Ah, right, and have our own police force so the feds can't do anything. We should probably get our own military, too. Then we can make Moreberta a real thing!


#### I hate these people.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by zamler

Your views are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately you lack the capacity to understand why.

Why don’t you enlighten the thread with why?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by opendoor

To a lot of these people, teachers and a modern education system are the enemy.

100%. A citizen base that can think critically and reason logically is not a good situation for many political movements.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Over/Under when the mods post "STOP!" and then lock the thread?

I have Thursday 10:17 am in the pool.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've never understood why people get worked up about equalization. The only reason why Albertans pay more and receive less is because Alberta is (unfairly) blessed with far more natural resources than any other province. That's the whole point of the program: to remedy the unfair distribution of natural resources in Canada.

Quoting myself to add that the program. isn't even very successful at achieving its goal: Albertans are still far wealthier than other Canadians lagely because of natural resources wealth.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya Quebec received the Ontario and BC money. Alberta’s money went to Saskatchewan and Manitoba and some of the Atlantic provinces.

Sask didn't get net money last year. And Ontario will receive net money this year.

But Alberta also gets Quebec money under your analysis. Because the feds collect money from every province. And pay to every province. It's just a netting effect.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

They obviously don’t need to be called that, but sure.

They can be called anything really, the point is the same.

Maybe Civic Pride Course where you graduate and earn a licence to vote. Or Advanced Citizenship Program.

Keep in mind the idea is to educate people and weed out bigotry at the source.

Might sounds crazy, but drastic times call for drastic measures.

Holy ####.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by zamler

Your views are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately you lack the capacity to understand why.

Another straight white male trying to mansplain my own lived experiences.

My views are only dangerous to you and your bigoted kind.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've never understood why people get worked up about equalization. The only reason why Albertans pay more and receive less is because Alberta is (unfairly) blessed with far more natural resources than any other province. That's the whole point of the program: to remedy the unfair distribution of natural resources in Canada.

I wouldn't say unfairly. It's not like Alberta has the lakes of Ontario, the coasts of BC, or the federal government in their back pocket like Quebec. Different provinces have different perks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've never understood why people get worked up about equalization. The only reason why Albertans pay more and receive less is because Alberta is (unfairly) blessed with far more natural resources than any other province. That's the whole point of the program: to remedy the unfair distribution of natural resources in Canada.

Because they don't consider themselves Canadians. At least not in priority to be Albertans.

Smeone above extolled the rural life because everyone looked after one another. IMO if you are all members of a nation, the same should apply across the land. Not just in my town.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't say unfairly. It's not like Alberta has the lakes of Ontario or the coasts of BC. Different provinces have different perks.

BC has other resources (and net pays more than Alberta currently I think).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by zamler

Since 1960, Alberta has received more money than it paid out once, in 2020. Of note, Alberta has by far the highest GDP per capita of any province. Quebec has received in total 220 billion directly from Alberta.

How did you account for the cost of birthing and educating the people who emigrated from the ROC to Alberta to work and produce Royalties and Taxes for the province? Is it simply the yearly cost of Ed and health care or do you need to account for the demographic damage done.

Do you also account for when we purchase from Ontario and Quebec manufacturing that their lower cost base relative to the US benefits us?

What about pipelines / rail that go through other provinces? Did you account for some sort royalty structure of reasonless tarrifs for access?

It’s easy to come up with a dollar figure of the net out lay. It’s much harder to assign value to the benefits. So how do you propose you assign cash flows to these things?

That aside I got a text from the guy who wrote the current equalization formula telling me to vote UCP so this discussion really is an issue going back to Harper who was let off the hook by Alberta and Sask.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

BC has other resources (and net pays more than Alberta currently I think).

And I don't think it's unfair that BC has those other resources. We are all free to move to any province after all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

And I don't think it's unfair that BC has those other resources.

Unfair is probably the wrong word. Fortunate might be better.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Unfair is probably the wrong word. Fortunate might be better.

Agreed.

[MarchHare]

By the way, I assume any Calgarian who is angry that there's a net outflow of your federal tax dollars being used to fund schools and hospitals in Halifax, Montreal, and Winnipeg is also equally angry that there's a net outflow of your provincial tax dollars being used to fund schools and hospitals in Vegreville, Hinton, and Fort Vermillion, right?

*crickets*

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've never understood why people get worked up about equalization. The only reason why Albertans pay more and receive less is because Alberta is (unfairly) blessed with far more natural resources than any other province. That's the whole point of the program: to remedy the unfair distribution of natural resources in Canada.

I think there is a good discussion around things like non market sale of hydro electric resources in Manitoba which lowers royalty production and potential capacity of extractive industries versus installed capacities. Essentially if you want to participate you should be developing natural resources you have access to.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol how was that passive aggressive? You didn’t even answer the question. Do you think Canada got better or worse under Trudeau?

Worse, do you need require an essay as well to why.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

Another straight white male trying to mansplain my own lived experiences.

My views are only dangerous to you and your bigoted kind.

Hahahahahaha going back to the well again. You don’t agree with me so you must be a bigot.