2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

There has to be something to work out with Anaheim

If they draft with #2 The will have
Zegras
McTavish
Fantilli
Lundestrom

All 1st round centres. They’re not going to play any of Zegras, McTavish or Fantilli on the 3rd line. What would it take to get either #2 pick or McTavish?

McTavish can play LW.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It hasn't been this way in practice though. And players have been able to be UFAs since the league began. Up until not too long ago there was way more UFA movement at the deadline and then only when teams were out of it. If Calgary, for example, hadn't been a terrible team, they'd have kept Iggy for the season and tried to work a deal in the next off season, just like in previous years.

I think the cap has hamstrung GMs a bit in terms of letting players get to that point. Pre-cap teams could always rely on outbidding. Now, with the cap there is a push for more certainty.

Also, asset management is much more of a thing now. Think of how much we #### on Treliving for letting Johnny get to that point.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Sandman

McTavish can play LW.

So we will wait 3 years until they’re up against the cap and can’t afford them

[Flames_Gimp]

too many posters talking about trading everyone and doing rebuild, it's not happening, the Flames believe we are a tweak or 2 away from a shot at making noise and having a chance if we get into the playoffs. Florida cemented this belief.

Honestly if Florida can do it with chucky and Bob, the Flames could do it with Huby and Marky if he gets hot and a little luck. (and we don't have to play edmonton) Just get in.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

There has to be something to work out with Anaheim

If they draft with #2 The will have
Zegras
McTavish
Fantilli
Lundestrom

All 1st round centres. They’re not going to play any of Zegras, McTavish or Fantilli on the 3rd line. What would it take to get either #2 pick or McTavish?

The obvious answer is Lindholm. Criminally underrated around here.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

So we will wait 3 years until they’re up against the cap and can’t afford them

I think they'll build around Zegras, McTavish, and Fantilli and move whoever else they need to, much like Toronto with Nylander, Matthews, and Marner.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

too many posters talking about trading everyone and doing rebuild, it's not happening, the Flames believe we are a tweak or 2 away from a shot at making noise and having a chance if we get into the playoffs. Florida cemented this belief.

Honestly if Florida can do it with chucky and Bob, the Flames could do it with Huby and Marky if he gets hot and a little luck. (and we don't have to play edmonton) Just get in.

Dallas is a fairly good example- they're in the 3rd round of the playoffs, with 2 very overpaid vets in Benn and Seguin, who they re-tooled around. LA kept some vets around, and rebuilt too.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Dallas is a fairly good example- they're in the 3rd round of the playoffs, with 2 very overpaid vets in Benn and Seguin, who they re-tooled around. LA kept some vets around, and rebuilt too.

I dunno if I give their overpriced guys (Seguin and Benn) much credit. Pavelski is the vet doing well as is a bunch of the young guys. I don't think the Flames lineup has the same pitbull like tendencies (quick nimbleness these teams have). There are similarities but I think the overall feel of the Flames is very old school corner bump and grind. The new way of doing that is shovelling it out and cycling around quick by moving. The Flames just aren't quick enough.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Dallas is a fairly good example- they're in the 3rd round of the playoffs, with 2 very overpaid vets in Benn and Seguin, who they re-tooled around. LA kept some vets around, and rebuilt too.

But they 2 players that are young and would be considered superstars in Heskinan and Oettinger

Hintz and Robertson are good too.

Only 1 was a top pick but that’s 4 high end young players and a team with no state tax. We just don’t have that same situation

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

So we will wait 3 years until they’re up against the cap and can’t afford them

Good plan. In 3 years we can outbid many teams for a very desirable UFA.

Of course, that ‘s assuming we have the cap space ourselves, something we never do.

[Poe969]

It's not only about doing a rebuild, Lindholm will want a big contract or might just walk like Johnny did. Same for Hanifin and to a lesser extent, Toffoli and zadorov. Backlund and Tanev are older and on the slide down.

You can't let more players walk for free, you need to get some assets back. You also can't have too many big contacts on players in their 30's. The team is at a crossroads, do you really think this team can bounce back and compete with the likes of the stronger teams in the west? Take the emotion out of the decision making, how do you turn this team into a winner? Keep it as is??? No, you have to make some changes.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

too many posters talking about trading everyone and doing rebuild, it's not happening, the Flames believe we are a tweak or 2 away from a shot at making noise and having a chance if we get into the playoffs. Florida cemented this belief.

Honestly if Florida can do it with chucky and Bob, the Flames could do it with Huby and Marky if he gets hot and a little luck. (and we don't have to play edmonton) Just get in.

Ah yes, the same thing we've tried every year for the last 30. It has worked 0 times and doesn't even seem remotely close to working, but sure it might work this time.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I dunno if I give their overpriced guys (Seguin and Benn) much credit. Pavelski is the vet doing well as is a bunch of the young guys. I don't think the Flames lineup has the same pitbull like tendencies (quick nimbleness these teams have). There are similarities but I think the overall feel of the Flames is very old school corner bump and grind. The new way of doing that is shovelling it out and cycling around quick by moving. The Flames just aren't quick enough.

No I agree, not the exact siuation, but similar in that we could re-tool around a few vets.

[dammage79]

If I had to wager, 4 of the 7 UFAs fates will be decided before training camp. The other 3 they'll use as trade fodder at the deadline.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Dallas is a fairly good example- they're in the 3rd round of the playoffs, with 2 very overpaid vets in Benn and Seguin, who they re-tooled around. LA kept some vets around, and rebuilt too.

yes but I don't think the Flames want a re-tool or rebuild. From what they have said. They want to add a top 6 forward and if they are losing Lindy they need to find a center and they want a kid to push for a roster spot. The Flames are still in win mode, they want to be in the playoffs this coming season.

A year with a broken coach, near or record OT losses and Huby playing way below his normal offensive pace, and we still barely missed the playoffs, they were a couple /shootout wins from making the playoffs. Hell if we get decent goaltending we will make it.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

yes but I don't think the Flames want a re-tool or rebuild. From what they have said. They want to add a top 6 forward and if they are losing Lindy they need to find a center and they want a kid to push for a roster spot. The Flames are still in win mode, they want to be in the playoffs this coming season.

A year with a broken coach, near or record OT losses and Huby playing way below his normal offensive pace, and we still barely missed the playoffs, they were a couple /shootout wins from making the playoffs. Hell if we get decent goaltending we will make it.

I agree, and I've argued this point as well. After all the crap that happened last year, and all the bad luck, we still finished with 93 points.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ah yes, the same thing we've tried every year for the last 30. It has worked 0 times and doesn't even seem remotely close to working, but sure it might work this time.

yup, i'm not saying it's good or bad but this is what they said they are doing.

The Florida run is bad timing as it just reenforces that they are right!

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I agree, and I've argued this point as well. After all the crap that happened last year, and all the bad luck, we still finished with 93 points.

That tells me that if we have a little luck, and some happy players with the right coach and Huby is his usual self, we will see some playoff games next season

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

That tells me that if we have a little luck, and some happy players with the right coach and Huby is his usual self, we will see some playoff games next season

Exactly. The big variable is will Lindy stay on for the ride?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No I agree, not the exact siuation, but similar in that we could re-tool around a few vets.

I think we're forced to retool around vets. Much of it will be around this and next years' draft, but further I think what's going to be key to this years' off-season is ensuring we don't sign any high priced UFAs, unloading some marketable pending aging FAs, and bringing in young guys to play in and out. A retool is in the cards but there may as well be a rebuild given the turnover possible which Conroy can become a saint fast with the potential moves he can make. Honestly, this is the entertainment business. Fans simply want to see a fun fast team.