[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Prove it

All I have is this knee surgery photo.

NSFW!

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Do you honestly not see a difference between this election and any previous Alberta election? Danielle Smith is the worst party leader this province has ever seen, hell probably the worst that any province has seen. Voting UCP means you're ok with that, you're ok with all the crazy #### she's said and done in the last few years, and you're ok with her being so clueless about the actual powers and responsibilities that a premier has. It also means you're ok with them screwing up our pensions and ####ting on our healthcare workers

In a normal election I'd have no issue respecting differing opinions, but this isn't a normal election. On one hand you have a normal party with a good platform, and on the other hand you have a party overrun by a hardcore right wing element with a leader who idolizes Ron DeSantis. So if after everything we've seen and lived through over the past few months and years you still vote for the UCP, then honestly go #### yourself

LOL. Wow, people are getting all hot and bothered up in these parts. Good grief.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by zamler

6% of Canadians live at or below the poverty line I accept that as poverty.

I am saying simply I don't know anyone that works hard (full time job) and are poor. Do you? And if so where do they work and why are they in poverty?

Do you hang out with the people working retail, in warehouses, and packing plants? They are making like 30-45k gross, I'd consider that poor if they are supporting a family.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

LOL. Wow, people are getting all hot and bothered up in these parts. Good grief.

Some people don't want someone elected who basically validates 20+ years of bull#### stereotypes about this province.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Do you hang out with the people working retail, in warehouses, and packing plants? They are making like 30-45k gross, I'd consider that poor if they are supporting a family.

So what is your solution to this?

And yes I know people like this in fact I've been that person.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Do you hang out with the people working retail, in warehouses, and packing plants? They are making like 30-45k gross, I'd consider that poor if they are supporting a family.

So strange.

People can work full time jobs and not pull in 6 figures.

Full time job doesn't equal a 100k plus salary.

[#-3]

I have a great deal of respect for pylon, making the statements he has made. But I do think they are almost categorically flawed, and really aren't conservative at all.

Saying things like I'm conservative, because I disagree with the plurality of evidence regarding addiction treatment or health care or gun control. Or saying I'm conservative because I don't think I should have to pay for the social infrastructure I take advantage of is misguided, and has skewed a lot of less engaged people's understanding of where their politics really are, that's why issues polling just doesn't line up with party polling.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by zamler

6% of Canadians live at or below the poverty line I accept that as poverty.

I am saying simply I don't know anyone that works hard (full time job) and are poor. Do you? And if so where do they work and why are they in poverty?

I ask again: do you know any single mothers?

With respect to your question, the poverty line for a single person with children in Alberta is an income of ~$43,900/year. A person who earns minimum wage and works a full-time job earns ~$31,000/year. That's the math.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by zamler

So what is your solution to this?

And yes I know people like this in fact I've been that person.

Life is about choices. Quite frankly, if people have the drive and the desire, there is tons of opportunity in this province right now to make more money.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by pylon

All I have is this knee surgery photo.

NSFW!

Was hoping the weight lifting gloves

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So strange.

People can work full time jobs and not pull in 6 figures.

Full time job doesn't equal a 100k plus salary.

Did you vote NDP so this gets fixed?

[Yoho]

I’m really enjoying this thread.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by zamler

So what is your solution to this?

And yes I know people like this in fact I've been that person.

I think the best is to support people with strong social safety nets and then focus on education and training programs for their children, ie free or heavily subsidized university and trades education. I'd also beef up minimum wage requirements.

[ripTDR]

Too bad you are on most peoples ignore list


to the post above

[Muta]

Saying working hard makes you rich is myopic at best. That's quite a significant misunderstanding of the actual work climate out there and the opportunities available per each individual / family. There's lots of people working their butts off out there, for jobs that need to be done but aren't glamorous, but at least pay the bills. There's lots that are wealthy from working hard too. But working doesn't necessarily directly equate to being 'rich'.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Was hoping the weight lifting gloves

Now I gotta figure out what returning banned poster you are......LOL

You're going back a decade or so with that one.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by zamler

Did you vote NDP so this gets fixed?

Yes.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

There is no shortage of evidence or studies that show two tier doesn't not improve quality or access in the public system. It's not hard to find that, so if that was the basis for your vote, you got it wrong.

Correction, in your opinion, he got it wrong. Just because that’s not how you voted, doesn’t make his vote wrong.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A very few minutes of research would have told you this won't work, and it makes the public system worse. You have made a choice that will make my life worse. I've already waited 2 years for a referral(with a year to go!). If we had private care, that doctor(who also does private plastic surgery) would not be available to the public system at all, and the few doctors left would be even more stretched.


Your past choices of voting for a party that has managed to do what they have to healthcare, in, as you describe, a resource rich province, is open to critique. You are continuing to do the same, for the sake of lower business taxes(despite Notley campaigning on the lowest business taxes in Canada). I find this incredibly baffling as a priority, and maybe one day you'll get to experience what I have over the last 14. It has not been good, and because you are a part of that, I think it's fair enough to hold you to account on your vote for basing it on false premises.


I know Conservatives tend not to be compassionate about the suffering their choices leave on others, so I expect a lot of "I can make up my own mind" which, sure you can. But your choices affect everyone.

I live in a system with two tier health that is not the US. If you have some links can you please put them forward as I'm curious to see some data on the topic, especially for chronic disease.

Anecdotally the public system is fast and efficient here and delivers better care than what I experienced in Calgary when I lived there. Private health care costs a family for the top level $500/mo, and basic hospital cover for an individual is $100 / mo. You do have out of pocket costs to see a GP ($60 for telehealth and $80 for in person). After the initial cost the GP will bulk bill you (no out of pocket costs anymore) and there are refund codes under the public system that you submit your receipts into the app and get your refund direct to your bank account.

There is a reduction in taxes with health insurance to encourage those with means to hold private insurance and it's basically a 1 for 1 trade off until you get to the top brackets.

The cool thing that happens with a private system is that you have research, biotech and pharma sectors that pop up for investment and jobs.

As for doctors not being available, I always thought the two tier system encouraged more doctors. The stats here show that we have 4.1 physicians per 1000, to 2.4 physicians per 1000 for Canada, so there is some support for two tier creating more opportunities for smart people to enter the field.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Correction, in your opinion, he got it wrong. Just because that’s not how you voted, doesn’t make his vote wrong.

Clearly you don't know enough about Fuzz. This person is terrified of any opinions other than their own and wants them all banned. They even made a thread about it.

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think the best is to support people with strong social safety nets and then focus on education and training programs for their children, ie free or heavily subsidized university and trades education. I'd also beef up minimum wage requirements.

This is a nice dream. Making it happen is a whole other thing.