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Old 04-25-2007, 11:34 AM   #1
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OTTAWA – The Conservative government vowed to ban incandescent light bulbs across Canada by 2012 as part of an environmental plan that could reduce emissions by 20 per cent below current levels by 2020.
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:36 AM   #2
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:57 AM   #3
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Great, there goes that nice light I like. Will have to stock up on them. Those flickering energy saving ones give off horrible colors.
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Great, there goes that nice light I like. Will have to stock up on them. Those flickering energy saving ones give off horrible colors.
and they can burn out quickly...thus eliminating any possible money savings as they have to be replaced quicker than the other ones.

Can i have my carbon credit deposited directly into my bank account?
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So, if CFL don't work on lights that are on dimmer switches, what atre we supposed to use in them?
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:45 PM   #6
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My biggest problem with CFL's right now is the warm up time many of them have. When I want good light I want it right away, not in a minute or so.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:53 PM   #7
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Where do halogens fit in all this?
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:54 PM   #8
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According to wikipedia, (I Know, I know... but its the easiest)

"Since CFLs use less power to supply the same amount of light as an incandescent lamp of the same lumen rating, they can be used to decrease overall energy consumption. Generation of electricity is a major source of pollution in various forms. According to Environment Canada:
"The electricity sector is unique among industrial sectors in its very large contribution to emissions associated with nearly all air issues. Electricity generation produces a large share of Canadian nitrogen oxides and sulphur dioxide emissions, which contribute to smog and acid rain and the formation of fine particulate matter. It is the largest uncontrolled industrial source of mercury emissions in Canada. Fossil fuel-fired electric power plants also emit carbon dioxide, which contributes to climate change. In addition, the sector has significant impacts on water and habitat and species. In particular, hydro dams and transmission lines have significant effects on water and biodiversity."[11]

Mercury use of compact fluorescent bulb vs. incandescent bulb when powered by electricity generated from coal.


CFLs contain small amounts of mercury[12][13] and it is a concern for landfills and waste incinerators where the mercury from lamps may be released and contribute to air and water pollution. In the USA, lighting manufacturer members of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) have made a voluntary commitment to cap the amount of mercury used in CFLs:
Under the voluntary commitment, effective April 15, 2007, NEMA members will cap the total mercury content in CFLs of less than 25 watts at 5 milligrams (mg) per unit. The total mercury content of CFLs that use 25 to 40 watts of electricity will be capped at 6 mg per unit.[14]
Some manufacturers such as Philips and GE make very low mercury content CFLs.[15] Safe disposal requires storing the bulbs unbroken until they can be processed. Consumers should seek advice from local authorities. Usually, one can either:
  • Return used CFLs to where they were purchased, so the store can recycle them correctly; or
  • Take used CFLs to a local recycling facility.
The first step of processing involves crushing the bulbs in a machine that uses negative pressure ventilation and a mercury-absorbing filter or cold trap to contain and treat the contaminated gases. Many municipalities are purchasing such machines. The crushed glass and metal is stored in drums, ready for shipping to recycling factories.
Note that coal power plants are the "the largest uncontrolled industrial source of mercury emissions in Canada".[16] According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), (when coal power is used) the mercury released from powering an incandescent bulb for five years exceeds the total of (a) the mercury released by powering a comparably luminous CFL for the same period and (b) the mercury contained in the lamp.[17] It should be noted, however that the "EPA is implementing policies to reduce airborne mercury emissions. Under regulations issued in 2005, coal-fired power plants will need to reduce their emissions by 70 percent by 2018."[18]. This change will lengthen the term before CFLs are better than incandescents. If CFLs are recycled and the mercury reclaimed, the equation tilts towards CFLs, and if non-coal sources of electricity are used, the equation tilts toward incandescents."








Therefore the energy saving and environmental effects due to lessening greenhouse gases are offset by pollution in the form of mercury unless we have a lightbulb recycling program in place.




Will there be a factory built in each province to recycle these?

What will the emissions be from such a factory?? just curious, I dont know!
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So, if CFL don't work on lights that are on dimmer switches, what atre we supposed to use in them?
Halogens work, unless they're getting banned too. I sure hope not. I was running a lot of CFLs in my house, and it wasn't making a dent on my electrical bill. Since CFL lighting sucks, when there was a bunch of recalls on them a while back due to their being a fire hazard, I switched over to halogens. If I have to change all my light fixtures again I'm going to miffed, expecially if crappy CFLs that don't even save me any money are the only alternative.
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:28 PM   #10
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What's all this whining about banning? Anyone here have a traditional lightbulb business?
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Write to teh dimmer companies to get them to do it.
Market forces.
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Write to teh dimmer companies to get them to do it.
Market forces.

It doesn't work that way.
It's not a matte of the dimmers not working with the bulbs, it's a matter of how the bulb works.
You can't just dim a flourescent bulb, no matter how much you write to the dimmer companies.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:53 PM   #13
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It doesn't work that way.
It's not a matte of the dimmers not working with the bulbs, it's a matter of how the bulb works.
You can't just dim a flourescent bulb, no matter how much you write to the dimmer companies.
So tough. No more dimmers.
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So tough. No more dimmers.
The one bit of irony of course is that dimmers are intended to reduce the amount of power used; sometimes below what a CFL will use.

The one thing I was trying to do was to hook up a light sensitive switch to my outside light; so it would be on when I leave in the morning, then back on just before I came home. Of course that doesn't work with a CFL because of the dimmer effect at dusk, so I have a regular bulb in there.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:00 PM   #15
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What about LED's? Can they be dimmed?
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:13 PM   #16
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I guess that's kind of harsh what I said. But even if no one else does; which isn't the case, I think this is a big serious problem.
And you can't make an omlete without breaking some eggs.
Can't park your horse along 9th avenue where once you probably could.
Can't dump your toilet bucket out onto the street anymore.
Things change or rather, things evolve.
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The one bit of irony of course is that dimmers are intended to reduce the amount of power used; sometimes below what a CFL will use.

The one thing I was trying to do was to hook up a light sensitive switch to my outside light; so it would be on when I leave in the morning, then back on just before I came home. Of course that doesn't work with a CFL because of the dimmer effect at dusk, so I have a regular bulb in there.
I thought they were used to make a nice setting for your dinner party.
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What about LED's? Can they be dimmed?
I'm not sure that they can be dimmed in the traditional sense. Since most have a cluster of LED's in them, they might be able to turn some off to get a dimming effect. Not too sure.
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Can't park your horse along 9th avenue where once you probably could.
Can't dump your toilet bucket out onto the street anymore.
Well then... this is all news to me!
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I'll start once they're banned in china..
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