[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I couldn't care less about your charitable work. No offense.

“I don’t want to #### on pylon too much…”

You just couldn’t help yourself could you?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by nik-

No one who's successful puts rep LMs from KalTire on their car.

That took me a minute, but that made me LOL.

In my defense, I did that car during peak Covid, and that's all that was available...LOL

Long since gone.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

“I don’t want to #### on pylon too much…”

You just couldn’t help yourself could you?

Me saying I don't care about his charity work in response to him wanting 2 tier American style health care isn't me ####ting on him. It's a polite response. I didn't even swear.

[evman150]

Nothing makes me LOL harder than super rich people thinking they work/worked harder than everybody else and thinking that's why they're super rich.

In the same post (or same set of posts) as saying his parents are in a super comfortable financial position to pay for US healthcare.

The cluelessness and lack of self-awareness is gobsmacking.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Most people have worked very very hard to have what they do or don't have.

Having health care shouldn't be a privelage based on your bank account.

Yeah, Canadians don't appreciate what they have. I worked in the US and the fact that healthcare is tied to employment is scary and good healthcare benefits are reserved for people with middle to upper middle class jobs. It screws poor people and can even sink some middle class families if they lose their job and run into health issues. It also has created an insane amount of money that just goes to insurance companies to leach off of the government, people, and companies.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Me saying I don't care about his charity work in response to him wanting 2 tier American style health care isn't me ####ting on him. It's a polite response. I didn't even swear.

I certainly do care about people's charitable work. In fact it is a huge measuring stick on how I judge someone's character. You can donate money, or time. Anything you can afford. If you have the means, I believe everyone should give something back.

And how does wanting 2 tier health care make someone evil? How does that make me bad? Please explain.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by pylon

Very quickly then:

I do not support raising any taxes at this point. Be it corporate or individual. Full stop. Especially in such a resource rich province.

I believe that two tier health care should be explored. The current system is not working well. I feel that taking those with the means to pay for private care out of the system, will only help those wanting to stay in the public system by freeing up public beds and doctors, and reducing the overall cost and wait times. Instead of people with means flying South, keep the taxes and the employment in the Province.

I appreciate the Conservatives stance on protecting the rights of licensed responsible gun owners. The current issues with gun violence have nothing to do with us, and everything to do with illegal gun importation.

And I am 100% against any safe supply policies. They aren't working in BC, they will not work here.

Those are my humble opinions. I may be right, I may be wrong. But one party aligns with my values, and one doesn't.

Thanks for this. I appreciate you spending the little time you have from the sounds of things laying it out for me

Not that you needed or want my approval, but based on your post you certainly cast your vote for the party that best represents you. We definitely don’t agree on most issues and this certainly isn’t the place to debate the merits of that, but I appreciate the honesty and transparency

Many others expressed their thanks already, but I wanted to say it too since it was my question originally, so thanks again

[Paulie Walnuts]

I for one like the auction style health care.

Out bidding someone for a heart procedure and walking away with a smile ha should have worked harder sucker.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by pylon

This can certainly go both ways. My dad had an bulge/aneurysm on his aorta. He was told, "Lifting a 10 pound box, could kill you before you hit the ground." Oh, BTW there's a 10% chance you die on the table at your age. He was then placed on a waitlist and told to wait for a surgeon. 6 months had passed and he was couch ridden, depressed, gaining weight from lack of activity and losing hope. He's 82, and I believe they were hoping he'd die before his appointment.

Meanwhile his 75 year old brother in Seattle went for a routine checkup and was on the table for a triple bypass within 72 hours of them finding an issue.

Money was no issue to my parents, and when my mother started making some calls, and looked into getting the Surgery in the States they miraculously managed to hustle him in within days when they caught wind of this. If they lived in US he would have already had his Aorta replaced and been swinging his golf clubs again. The wait would have been days not months.

I'm sorry, I am as capitalist as they come. I have worked very, VERY hard to have what I have, and made enormous personal sacrifices to get to where I am. As have thousands of well off people in this province. I believe if I have the means, and I am willing to pay out of pocket to save my own life or the life of a family member, I shouldn't have to get on an Airplane and fly thousands of kilometers. That should be available to me in my own backyard, and the fact it isn't and I could die as a result tells me the system IS broken.

There's gotta be something in the middle.

Right, me first & the gimme gimmies capitalism is always a success so long as democratic socialism (natural resources of the commons, infrastructure, education etc) is there to underwrite it and then completely save it when it fails (usually spectacularly).

These kind of health services would be more widely available in your own backyard if the incompetent troglodyte Christian Fascists in power didn’t openly declare war on Physicians for the past 4 years. Driving them to other parts of the country & planet.

People like vascular surgeons can take their skills, abilities and services to places where they are not under attack by lunatics void of fact, logic, & reason.

No one says you didn’t work hard. However, similar people worked just as hard and didn’t receive whatever fortuitous breaks you did (even if you worked for them) to accumulate wealth.

The luck of simply existing where you do is one example.

But why, as you stated “should the 1000’s people” with ample resources have the medical system subverted to meet their convenience, away from the meeting needs of millions of people without ample resources?

[evman150]

Originally Posted by pylon

And how does wanting 2 tier health care make someone evil? How does that make me bad? Please explain.

Because, on one account, it is tantamount to you saying your life is worth more because you have more money.

There are legitimate reasons for supporting two-tier health care, but I'm not sure you have those reasons.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Thanks for the response. This is all my initial post meant, bring the receipts.

I can see their point, even if I disagree with it. With regards to the farmers, it seems to me that they protested the initial bill, and mostly from a lack of clarity and a propaganda push from the Wildrose, but the NDP took action accordingly, rectified the issue and promised to do better in the future.. I am still not understanding how this was all done in bad faith?

The problem with the intelligence insulting is there are so much variation in groups. I spent 4 years in the Alberta Government thread getting called the same stupid for agreeing with the NDP policies, hell I still get it today "only a moron would agree with that". So it's not really something the NDP or the supporters are doing in isolation.

I get number 3, but are the NDP candidates not part of the community? Do people not think they will also show up to events and fundraisers? And I think it is similar in the city, just the fact that it was Rachel herself that dropped off my lawn sign just was a good feeling of being represented. And I know in smaller communities that feeling is even more intense

Pylon made some good points earlier too. I don't agree with them, but I see them as active policy points where the UCP meets his needs. I don't doubt there are a lot of people voting UCP because they match their priorities. But the vast majority of responses I have seen or heard is "communism", "venezuala", "death to O&G", "free conversion therapy!", "Trudeau-Singh alliance" and regardless of the facts these things are just parroted and at the very least makes it seem like people don't care about facts and only want to give themselves the good feels for pwning the libs.

Well said.


Point 1. I do think the NDP handled it well, but farmers felt they earned it by showing solidarity just like their ancestors did fighting railway monopolies. I'm not saying that I agree 100%, rather I understand where they are coming from. Farmers are a class conscious occupation. There is a long history of mistrust of government dating the territory days. It's kind a "generational knowledge"


With respect to point 3, I think that the NDP candidate would be a community minded person and the better representative. That's why I voted for them.

[zamler]

Let me get this straight, I never had to work my ass off to become financially comfortable? I'm a super big idiot I did it all wrong.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If the rich want tiered healthcare then they should have no issue with an auction system instead of a first serve system. Scheduled spots to the highest bidder. Didn't get a spot? Should have worked harder.

This happens in China. People buy surgery spots like concert tickets at midnight and sell them on the black market.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by pylon

I certainly do care about people's charitable work. In fact it is a huge measuring stick on how I judge someone's character. You can donate money, or time. Anything you can afford. If you have the means, I believe everyone should give something back.

And how does wanting 2 tier health care make someone evil? How does that make me bad? Please explain.

So lower middle class to poor people can suck it then cause they can't afford much to offer even though you know nothing of them, but at the same time some rich person gets judged differently even if they are a ######?

[The Yen Man]

Why do people have to feel the need to put down other people's political opinion. I'll admit, I begrudgingly voted NDP for the first time ever, but just because I did, I'm not going to thrash other people for sticking with the UCP. They are voting for what they believe is right. This thread is like an NDP circle jerk, and anyone who doesn't agree gets shamed.

[Muta]

Super rich people who want immediate private care can just go down to the States or other parts of Canada or the world. Isn't that what they already do? You can literally check yourself into the Mayo clinic tomorrow if you want. Leave Alberta's current healthcare system alone (well, touch it if you're going to make it better for all citizens of course haha).

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by pylon

I certainly do care about people's charitable work. In fact it is a huge measuring stick on how I judge someone's character. You can donate money, or time. Anything you can afford. If you have the means, I believe everyone should give something back.

And how does wanting 2 tier health care make someone evil? How does that make me bad? Please explain.

I don't care vis-a-vis taking away people's rights to healthcare. Some sort of morbid justification that, hey I donate to charity, so let me buy Better Health Care than somebody who doesn't have money

[pylon]

Originally Posted by evman150

Nothing makes me LOL harder than super rich people thinking they work/worked harder than everybody else and thinking that's why they're super rich.

In the same post (or same set of posts) as saying his parents are in a super comfortable financial position to pay for US healthcare.

The cluelessness and lack of self-awareness is gobsmacking.

This makes me LOL just as hard and is just as clueless.

I am going to clear an assumption, I am not a some sort of millionaire, far from it.

I have however worked for some extremely wealthy entrepreneurs over the years, and the one consistent with all of them, is they don't work 'hours' or 'days'. They are work. They never stop, and are on 24/7. And even if they are sitting in their condo in Maui, they are on the clock. And they assume massive amounts of risk and stress.

Anyone who is self made and worth millions, is a harder and smarter worker than 99% of us.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by zamler

Let me get this straight, I never had to work my ass off to become financially comfortable? I'm a super big idiot I did it all wrong.

Man, everyone works their ass off. Just some people work their ass off and they're still poor as ####.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Man, everyone works their ass off. Just some people work their ass off and they're still poor as ####.

What would you do to fix that? (I don't know anyone that works hard and is in poverty).