Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Inglewood Jack]

Man I wish the election could just be decided by CalgaryPuck poll, way less stressful

[Yoho]

So far it looks like 200-1 for NDP on Calgary Puck.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by eddly

I have talked to a lot of UCP voters. A lot of them are claiming to be voting for their local candidate instead of Danielle Smith. I’m also hearing that they are banking on Danielle Smith being pushed out by her party shortly after the election… or of course vote UCP to block the NDP.

Originally Posted by eddly

For the UCP, well, I guess I'd hope Danielle Smith would be forced out... but that wouldn't be enough... several other candidates would need to go too.

You talk about Danielle Smith being forced out as a positive. Assuming you are a moderate Conservative, based on your comments, who doesn't like the way Smith has taken the party further to the right than you would support I am not sure why Smith being removed and likely being replaced by a candidate that is even further down that path but with less PR flubs is something that will benefit you. The UCP party is not turning back towards the middle. The people behind the party don't want it, the fools left supporting it don't want it.

But i am sure that if they lose, and even if they win, they will make a move, the new leader will have just as bad if not worse views and people will continue to make excuses to justify their terrible policies.

[direwolf]

I left Alberta a few years ago, but I still have lots of friends and family scattered throughout the province. I don’t know a single person who is voting UCP. God I hope the NDP can pull this out, ‘cause it’ll be dark days ahead if they can’t.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Yoho

So far it looks like 200-1 for NDP on Calgary Puck.

On another forum I read occasionally they threaten ndp supporters with physical violence so the score is 200-0 for ucp over there. Nice guys eh?

[troutman]

Prolife Alberta has a candidate in my riding. Never heard of them until today.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by eddly

NDP didn’t cause the downturn just as the UCP didn’t reverse it.

NDP just didn’t do enough to limit the damage… with the limited influence they could have had. I recognize that they tried to some degree, but likely suffered from the contradictory messaging from the federal NDP party which may have contributed to some investment not coming to Alberta (and some leaving).

I admire the naked idealism of someone blaming a political adversary for something. "I don't know what it is but I'm sure it could have been better if somebody who feels like they share my political leanings was involved."

At the end of the day, the people supporting the NDP have concrete examples about the problems with the UPC they have. see the list of 400 things attached earlier, I'm not sure all 400 are great examples, but from keystone to the war room, to coal mining, to kananaskis fees, to fighting with public unions until we lose on the salary fight and lose employees/experience, to defunding eduction that has a positive net economic impact on the province over time, to the rank hypocrisy of their spending policies, to irresponsible and ineffective tax cuts, to wasting the spoils of this oil boom rather than securing the future. The problems with the UPC aren't just a feel that they probably could have done a better job.

[Yoho]

Leger is out.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662484608783376384

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by #-3

I admire the naked idealism of someone blaming a political adversary for something. "I don't know what it is but I'm sure it could have been better if somebody who feels like they share my political leanings was involved."

At the end of the day, the people supporting the NDP have concrete examples about the problems with the UPC they have. see the list of 400 things attached earlier, I'm not sure all 400 are great examples, but from keystone to the war room, to coal mining, to kananaskis fees, to fighting with public unions until we lose on the salary fight and lose employees/experience, to defunding eduction that has a positive net economic impact on the province over time, to the rank hypocrisy of their spending policies, to irresponsible and ineffective tax cuts, to wasting the spoils of this oil boom rather than securing the future. The problems with the UPC aren't just a feel that they probably could have done a better job.

Sorry I missed that list of 400 things

What post was it in?

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by troutman

Prolife Alberta has a candidate in my riding. Never heard of them until today.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...arty-1.6821605

That's the party of Ernest Manning you're talking about... and I mean that literally. They're an advocacy group that has taken over and renamed the corpse of the SoCreds so they can fundraise with all the benefits of having a party registration. They run a candidate just to maintain registration with elections AB, without spending anything more than the bare minimum on that candidate.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This is interesting, but not surprising:

It's sobering to have data that appears to reflect the notion that, generally speaking, supporters of the respective provincial parties live in 2 alternate realities, with only one representing actual reality.

That's a fairly transparent reason why conservatives have been dismantling the education system and cultivating distrust in expertise.

[MBates]

What seems to be missed, from my perspective, throughout all the policy and rhetorical debates is the most basic fundamental underpinning of what the outcome of this election truly represents for the next 4-5 years.

The rule of law.

When you go to work day in and day out, drive to your kids sports events, hang out at the pub with friends, mow the lawn and chat over the fence with the neighbour, visit your loved one in the hospital (you know, real life) and the government juggernaut continues to operate in the background...the rule of law is silently governing all of those things.

In this election, there are two successful individuals seeking to lead a group of people to hold that trust on behalf of all Albertans for the next 4-5 years. In other words to do all the things behind the scenes that we seldom see until well after the fact...while we are too busy living real life.

All partisanship aside, here are objective facts:

1. One of those individuals has been held (by an independent person whose job it is to protect us from corruption) to have attempted to undermine the rule of law by trying to pressure an Attorney General to make a criminal prosecution "go away" because it was perceived to be beneficial to her interests. In other words, when she thought none of us would find out, she put her personal interests above ours...and well, the law. That individual's team is fully supporting her in the face of this serious illegal conduct.

2. On that same individual's team is a former Attorney General and Justice Minister (the Chief law officer of our province also supposed to be tasked with protecting us all from corruption) who while holding that public office also attempted to obstruct justice by using his position to put his personal interests above that of the public he was sworn to serve. That person continues to hold a position of prominence and power within that team and they support him in the face of this serious illegal conduct.

3. On that same individual's team is a current Attorney General and Justice Minister who is mid-way through formal disciplinary proceedings before the Law Society of Alberta (a statutorily created group whose mandate is to act to protect us all from corruption) because they allege he has misconducted himself in a manner unbecoming of his profession. That person continues to hold a position of prominence and power within that team and they support him in the face of this (I emphasize only alleged) misconduct.

4. On the other team, the individual seeking to lead us for the next 4-5 years and her team she is proposing to lead have no such issues.

If there is no longer even a political consequence for elected representatives committing blatantly illegal behaviour while in office, the electorate surrenders its power completely to those who can and will put their personal unlawful interests above that of the public.

A win for one particular team in this election not only normalizes brazen illegality by government but promotes it. There is no way around that.

Those who think this is hyperbole will find out just how far the normalization of the abnormal and illegal will go in the event that this particular team forms the next government.

All in my own personal opinion, of course.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

On another forum I read occasionally they threaten ndp supporters with physical violence so the score is 200-0 for ucp over there. Nice guys eh?

Must be the same guys that smashed the #### out of my and everyone else's NDP signs in calgary-lougheed

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think it will just have the same challenges as every other Province.

What’s scary is how Notley will not stand up to the Federal governments over reach and simply shug her shoulders just like last time.

She’s over her head and the debate proved it.

It’s gross that the attack ads were all from the unions that her husband was union president for.

Instead of trying to beg posters to vote your way realize the NDP have just as many warts.

It’s ok to lose the election it’s not the end of the world.

Seems to be keeping you up at night.

[Muta]

There are two types of people who usually advance vote - angry old stock conservative seniors who like to stick it to today’s youth and anything progressive, and policy wonks / political nerds who stand on the soapbox at Mac Hall and shout words that nobody listens to.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Muta

There are two types of people who usually advance vote - angry old stock conservative seniors who like to stick it to today’s youth and anything progressive, and policy wonks / political nerds who stand on the soapbox at Mac Hall and shout words that nobody listens to.

Or people that hate lines.

Personally I've just done mail in ballots for the last 10 years

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think it will just have the same challenges as every other Province.

What’s scary is how Notley will not stand up to the Federal governments over reach and simply shug her shoulders just like last time.

She’s over her head and the debate proved it.

It’s gross that the attack ads were all from the unions that her husband was union president for.

Instead of trying to beg posters to vote your way realize the NDP have just as many warts.

It’s ok to lose the election it’s not the end of the world.

The bolded would be a neat trick considering her husband isn’t the president of any Union.

Does the NDP only have as many warts as the UCP if you include the ones you feel the need to fabricate?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Muta

There are two types of people who usually advance vote - angry old stock conservative seniors who like to stick it to today’s youth and anything progressive, and policy wonks / political nerds who stand on the soapbox at Mac Hall and shout words that nobody listens to.

Or people that have a busy life and find it more convenient to vote on a day and time of their choosing.

[Muta]

I really had to use green text hey? Lol

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The bolded would be a neat trick considering her husband isn’t the president of any Union.

Does the NDP only have as many warts as the UCP if you include the ones you feel the need to fabricate?

Fair enough “communication official”

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmont...77186.amp.html