2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Thanks Kreskin, but I guarantee there are some busts

Pull your RV was can't miss...rated higher than Tkachuk

Busts in the top 3?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Still doesn't mean people are wrong for saying they wouldn't do it

Lindholm and Hanifin would be ridiculous...way too much

That's fine if fans simply don't want to do it, but I"m just commenting on the packages being proposed and the reasonable ones being rejected by the community.

Sure anyone can not want to trade for the 3rd overall due to the high price...and that would further my point, that it would be an insanely high price.

But I'm just combating the discussion over tailoring this trade to our needs and asking Columbus to add value back for the 3rd overall in a year where that player could normally go 1st overall is the return. It's insanity. Posters have lost reality on what a 3rd overall trade in one of the deepest drafts in history would look like if bidding opened up to the league.

[Sandman]

I respect everyone's opinion, but Leo Carlsson is a franchise player-he's as "can't miss" as you can get. He just had one of the best seasons in the SHL by a player his age in history.

[stemit14]

One thing the flames have going for them this season with trading players like Lindholm or Hanifin is that the free agent class is really bad. Not much top end talent available so teams will have to look to the trade route for players. Also, both Hanifin and Lindholm have high value contracts. Their cap hits are very reasonable for what they bring. If the flames chose to retain any salary, they could be worth even more.

Consider if the flames retained >30% of either contract, it could boost the value even more… although I doubt they will. I don’t think the ownership of the flames is a big fan of that… especially following a year when the team signed its biggest contract ever and fired a coach with two years left on his deal.

The potential to get 3rd overall is enticing. Would absolutely love that.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Busts in the top 3?

There are plenty of players worse than Hanfin or Lindholm that have been picked 3rd...let alone both

Also, whoever trades for them is signing them so the UFA thing is overblown

Tkachuk was also UFA

Selke level center that can hit PPG
Top Pairing dman

Both under 30 on amazing contracts

If the Flames want to move these guys the bidding war will be going towards Calgary

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There are plenty of players worse than Hanfin or Lindholm that have been picked 3rd...let alone both

Also, whoever trades for them is signing them so the UFA thing is overblown

Tkachuk was also UFA

For sure, happens all the time!!

Matthew Tkachuk contract is believed to be the 1st true sign and trade in #NHL history.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There are plenty of players worse than Hanfin or Lindholm that have been picked 3rd...let alone both

Also, whoever trades for them is signing them so the UFA thing is overblown

Tkachuk was also UFA

I can’t follow the above I was just talking about this draft
And tkachuk wasn’t a ufa
Carry on…

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Personally my bet it is Conroy won't even talk to Lindholm until the next coach is in place. Connie can be a damn convincing guy and I think Lindholm stays, probably 8.5x8. They will then flip Hanifin somewhere for another top 6 forward. That is how I am betting this plays out.

When you bet, you have a strange propensity to bet against things that I already know have happened.
Please stop doing this to yourself.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I can’t follow the above I was just talking about this draft
And tkachuk wasn’t a ufa
Carry on…

Pending UFA...if you were following the convo people are saying the fact that they are soon to be UFA and not RFA hurts but the reality is any team doing the deal will sign them (and get a cheap year on top)

You also have no idea how this draft turns out... history is the only educated guess of the future

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

For sure, happens all the time!!

Who said sign and trade? The team could trade for him and extend him...that does happen all the time.

Huberdeau/Weegar

Seriously...if Lindholm and or Hanifin get traded this summer they will be extended by their new team before the season starts

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pending UFA...if you were following the convo people are saying the fact that they are soon to be UFA and not RFA hurts but the reality is any team doing the deal will sign them (and get a cheap year on top)

You also have no idea how this draft turns out... history is the only educated guess of the future

I follow these players closely and Carlsson is about as sure thing as it gets
Yes there is risk there always is but even accounting for that this third pick has very high value

[dino7c]

Sure but I wouldn't trade both for it which was suggested

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said sign and trade? The team could trade for him and extend him...that does happen all the time.

Huberdeau/Weegar

Seriously...if Lindholm and or Hanifin get traded this summer they will be extended by their new team before the season starts

Okay that's fair, but still doesn't change the fact that the team is hoping or feeling like they willl sign them. Which is a far cry from cost controlled assets being traded in terms of value. And we're talking about the 3rd overall in a deep draft, not your standard trade.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Okay that's fair, but still doesn't change the fact that the team is hoping or feeling like they willl sign them. Which is a far cry from cost controlled assets being traded.

They would likely be allowed to communicate with the player... especially if the players are telling the Flames they want out.

I mean. Tkachuk was a sign and trade but was he really? On paper maybe but it's not like the Panthers and his agent weren't the ones negotiating.

[Flames_Gimp]

at this point i would be ok with the Flames throwing wolf inyo the fire and see what happens, let markstrom backup for a bit

[stemit14]

My attempt at an exciting offseason:

Trade 1:
To Columbus: Lindholm + 16th pick in 2023 draft
To Calgary: 3rd overall pick + 34th pick in 2023 draft

Trade 2:
To Buffalo: Hanifin + 34th pick in 2023 draft (from Columbus) + Vladar
To Calgary: 13th pick in 2023 draft + 86th pick in 2023 draft

Sign Backlund to 3-year deal for $4.0 million AAV and name him captain.

Re-sign Stetcher and Stone.

Re-sign Lewis for a league min as a 4th line center to come in and out of the lineup for Zary.

If toffoli is willing to sign for a reasonable contract (max term of 3 years at $5 million AAV), then sign him. If not, weigh the risk/reward of keeping him even though he’s unsigned. Toffoli could return a first round pick at the 2024 trade deadline but likely only gets you a 2nd round pick at the 2023 draft. Similar story with Tanev.

This season would be a real gamble as to where the team could end up in the standings. Losing Lindholm and Hanifin is big but bounce-back years from Huberdeau and the goaltending could be enough to get the flames back into the playoffs. Drafting Carlsson at 3rd overall could also be a big wildcard for the season. Could easily see him making the team out of camp and getting time with Huberdeau. Could be a real x-factor for the team.

Huberdeau-Carlsson-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Kadri-Coronato
Pelletier-Backlund-Coleman
Dube-Zary-Duehr

Tanev-Kylington
Andersson-Weegar
Stetcher-Zadorov
Stone

Markstrom
Wolf


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[stemit14]

On my previous post:

This to me is my attempt at a “re-tool” rather than a “rebuild”. The team moves two core players to gain picks in a talented draft. One (the third overall pick) could easily be an impact player in the league as early as next season. The other (the 13th overall pick) could be one in 2-3 years. The team has young players that look NHL-ready in Duehr, Pelletier, Coronato, Zary and Wolf. This is a season to give them the opportunity to make the team. They all might not make the team out of training camp but I could see all of them playing on the team during the season at some point.

Overall speed on the team takes a jump from last year - especially the fourth line with Duehr and Zary. All the young forwards looking to make the team are known for their two-way games so I think that plays well for their transition to the NHL. Each young player could be added to lines with two established vets. There are definite risks of course… the depth at defence has been cut but the hope is that Kyllington picks up where he left off to make up for the loss of Hanifin.

Another risk is going into the season with both Toffoli and Tanev unsigned. After what happened last year and with Brodie, I understand the concerns with doing that any more. However, I would be comfortable going into the season without extensions for either player because I think they both could bring back a greater return at the 2024 TDL than they will at the 2023 draft. Building draft capital/prospects from Hanifin and Lindholm would be enough for me to risk losing Toffoli and Tanev for nothing if the team makes the playoffs next year and loses both of them to free agency in 2024.


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[CliffFletcher]

Setting aside CBJ for the moment, two other possible destinations for Lindholm are CBJ and DET. Both need a #2C, and have the cap to extend him.

The Hurricanes asked about Lindholm at the deadline, but were rebuffed. Nothing has really changed in terms of their needs. Still need scoring. Could still use a #2 C to back up Aho.

The Flames will want a top-six forward - Jarvis. I don’t see CAR parting with top prospect Morrow. Nikishin is an intriguing prospect - best d-man in the KHL at 21. But two more years on his contract makes him unattractive for what the Flames are trying to do. Jamieson Reese would be a good fit.

To CAR: E Lindholm

To CGY: S Jarvis, J Reese, CAR 2023 1st - 30 OA.

There’s your top-six forward, a good prospect who’s close to NHL ready, and a late 1st.

If the Wings are looking to accelerate their rebuild, Lindholm fits the mold of what Yzerman looks for in players. The issue is where he’d fit in the plans going forward. Larkin is locked up long-term. Marco Kasper project as a #2 C. They have Copp at 5.5 mil. Though one nice thing about Lindholm is he can slide over to RW if Kasper pops.

To DET: E Lindholm, CGY 2023 2nd

To CGY: J Berggren, W Willander, DET 2023 1st (from NYI) 17 OA.

Flames get two mature prospects, one who has already broken into the NHL as a middle-six forward, and another in a position lacking in the system (LD) who is close.

[stemit14]

If the Columbus pick is truly in play at the draft, I’m trying to look at what teams could/would offer that would beat an offer like Lindholm + 16th overall pick. This assumes that Columbus is looking for an established top line player as the centrepiece to the deal rather than more picks or prospects. I might be showing bias against other teams but I don’t see many teams that could offer something better than Lindholm - as long as Lindholm signs an extension with Columbus of course.

Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose, Montreal, Philadelphia, Washington, Detroit, St. Louis, Buffalo, Vancouver, Ottawa,Seattle, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, LA and Minnesota - don’t really have any players as good as Lindholm that they would want to trade. They are either young players working their way to being star players or are older franchise players that the teams have no desire to trade right now.

Carolina, Florida, Tampa, NYR, Vegas, Dallas, Edmonton and Toronto - can’t really take a step back by trading one of their big top players for a pick. The flames are in a position where they have less to lose from taking the risk of a step back (if that’s what happens) compared to these teams.

Boston, Long Island, and Nashville - don’t really have the players to trade. At least, no one that they will want to trade that fits what Columbus probably wants/needs.

Phoenix - they could trade Keller as the centrepiece and I believe he has similar value to an extended Lindholm. However, they would be taking a risk of committing to being a small team after watching heavy teams go to the cup finals repeatedly over the last few years (Florida, Vegas, Colorado, Dallas, Washington, St. Louis, Tampa). Having Gaudreau, Keller and Johnson as the core would be a very small team.

Winnipeg - could offer up Scheifele as the centrepiece. More offensive skill than Lindholm but nowhere near as much of a two-way player. Also, a year older than Lindholm. I think an extended Lindholm > an extended Scheifele.

Several added benefits to Columbus getting Lindholm over anyone else that could realistically be available:
-his cap hit won’t be as bad as some guys that are already making over $10 million long-term (Marner for example).
-he already has proven chemistry with Gaudreau. In the last four years they were together, they were arguably the top line in hockey in two of those years. And in one of the “off” years they played with a severely injured Monahan as the third piece.
-he brings size, scoring and grit up the middle. They need a centremen more than anything else. A centre depth of Lindholm-Johnston-Sillinger-Jenner is very solid. Arguably deeper than any team in that division.

The more I think about it… the more I think there is a strong fit for the flames and Blue Jackets to make a trade.


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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Personally my bet it is Conroy won't even talk to Lindholm until the next coach is in place. Connie can be a damn convincing guy and I think Lindholm stays, probably 8.5x8. They will then flip Hanifin somewhere for another top 6 forward. That is how I am betting this plays out.

I'd rather trade him for a tea pot than sign him for that, you don't win in this league having your top players ready for a rocking chair.