2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If any team would trade one of the top picks this year, it would have to be for a very young great player signed to a long term contract. Think Tkachuk last year, not Lindholm this year.

Treliving trading for two UFA's who were older and needed to be signed to big contracts was the mistake, and largely was done to placate the owners who insist on trying your best to win every year.

How different would this team look if Tkachuk was traded for a package including Necas?

I disagree, the trade itself even in hindsight is fine. The Huberdeau signing was bad even then (worse in hindsight). Reeked of desperation, even then.

The value of that trade is easily 3 first round picks (+ prospects) for Tkachuk (I think that's fair value).

[CalgaryFan1988]

NHL radio (Biron specifically) was speculating that Vladar will be moved to make room for Wolf.

He was asked if he felt Markstrom would bounce back, he replied "I've never really been a fan of Markstrom". Suprised me a little how blunt he was.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I disagree, the trade itself even in hindsight is fine. The Huberdeau signing was bad even then (worse in hindsight). Reeked of desperation, even then.

The value of that trade is easily 3 first round picks (+ prospects) for Tkachuk (I think that's more than fair).

In hindsight you make the Carolina deal. Necas+ futures would have been a far better return for the Flames. They don’t make that deal and go into the season thinking they will flip Huberdeau and Weegar as rentals. They made that deal to win right away and signed those guys to avoid the same situation this summer.

The way Huberdeau and Weegar played until the deadline leads me to believe the only way they were getting 1st rounders was if they were conditional and no top prospects are coming back.

So 3 late 1sts and some prospects who might play some games or maybe not is a piss poor return for an elite superstar unicorn.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In hindsight you make the Carolina deal. Necas+ futures would have been a far better return for the Flames. They don’t make that deal and go into the season thinking they will flip Huberdeau and Weegar as rentals. They made that deal to win right away and signed those guys to avoid the same situation this summer.

The way Huberdeau and Weegar played until the deadline leads me to believe the only way they were getting 1st rounders was if they were conditional and no top prospects are coming back.

So 3 late 1sts and some prospects who might play some games or maybe not is a piss poor return for an elite superstar unicorn.

It's all speculative and hindsight, but they could have offered Huberdeau a more reasonable contract and if he refused they could have flipped him for a haul before he even played 1 game for the Flames.

Flames were too busy trying to save face at the time though.

But yeah, I'm not implying there wasn't a better deal on the table. Just that the deal itself that was made wasn't terrible. The signing is what will continue to hurt IMO

edit: At the end, didn't Tkachuk only give the Flames one option to be traded to (Florida)? Or was that not true?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In hindsight you make the Carolina deal. Necas+ futures would have been a far better return for the Flames.

That’s a rebuilding move, and Edwards won’t let the team rebuild. So while it’s an interesting deal for fans to speculate about, it was never a serious option for Treliving.

Tkachuk gave the Flames a list of six teams he would play for:

STL
COL
TBL
CAR
FLO
VGK

With their salary commitments, COL, TBL, and VGK were never realistic options.

That left CAR, FLO, and STL. CAR’s offer was futures-based. It would have meant the Flames taking a step back. Edwards put the kibosh on that.

So we’re down to the offers from FLO and STL (rumoured to be Kyrou plus picks and prospects). The Flames preferred the FLO offer.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Portzline is smoking something but says if Lindholm was willing to sign an extension in a Columbus the Flames only need to add a 2023 2nd to Lindy in order to acquire the 3rd overall pick. For context this is an article Julien Mackenzie wrote which is a mailbag. A fan asked about moving Lindy for the 3rd pick and what the add would be and Portzline:

“ In order to say what the “+” needs to be worth, we’d first have to establish how the players mentioned in the trade compare. Certainly, with the No. 3 pick, there’s some uncertainty, even though this is regarded as a strong draft through the top four or five picks. But there’d be uncertainty for the club acquiring Lindholm, too, because he’s an unrestricted free agent after next season. He’s eligible to sign an extension, and that would be absolutely key for Columbus. If he’s not willing to sign an extension, I don’t think the Blue Jackets would trade the No. 3 pick straight up for Lindholm. In fact, I know they wouldn’t. If he does sign an extension, it’s a trade the Blue Jackets could get pretty excited about, as Lindholm is not only in his prime (28) but has shown previous success with Gaudreau. We’ve seen their chemistry. It’s pretty impressive. So, if Lindholm were to sign an extension, I don’t think the “+” would have to be that massive. Lindholm (with a multi-year extension) and a 2023 second-round pick for the No. 3? — Portzline”

https://theathletic.com/4529070/2023...shared_article

Columbus GM must be having acid flashbacks from 2016 and drafting Dubois at 3rd overall and then having him demand a trade right after.

If he wants to avoid that happening again I would strongly suggest he give that #3 pick to us for Lindholm + a lil extra

[shutout]

Would have to guess that any deal for Lindholm to the Hurricanes would need to have them send back Kotkaniemi just because of the salary reduction provisions.
Would we be able to get Jarvis and or Suzuki as well?

Would getting Jarvis fill in the scoring winger spot that would open if we moved Toffoli?

[CFO]

Is 3rd for Lindholm is possible. Rather flames move 3rd to Arizona for 6 and 12

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That left CAR, FLO, and STL. CAR’s offer was futures-based. It would have meant the Flames taking a step back. Edwards put the kibosh on that.

I think the whole Edwards kyboshing it was just fan speculation. The rumoured Carolina deal was Necas+ coming back, but the "plus" was never stated. Likely a 1st round and prospect. Necas was seen as an up and comer, although I am not too sure many people thought he would break out like he did this season.

At the presser with Maloney and Bean, Bean said that when they traded Tkachuk, they had a rebuilding kind of offer on the table and that "they" would have taken it. I am assuming by "they", he was speaking on behalf of Edwards to whom he reports to directly, and that the rebuilding deal was the one for Necas.

Maybe Bean means that they would have taken the offer until the Huberdeau offer came along, then kyboshed it, but there is no evidence of that. Just pure speculation by people who want to give Treliving the benefit of doubt. It is just as likely that Treliving decided to take the other offer, but that the choice was his.

After hearing Conroy speak about the differences in approach he will have compared to Treliving, i am more convinced that Treliving had more autonomy that what Treliving supporters have been assuming.

[dino7c]

Weegar is a top end dman...people act like he was a toss in

[dino7c]

GM said the Florida deal was the best and it wasn't even close

But sure blame the owner for no reason

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

GM said the Florida deal was the best and it wasn't even close

But sure blame the owner for no reason

It was certainly the best deal for the right now so I don’t think anyone is hating on the deal without the benefit of hindsight. I didn’t see Necas being a 70pt player this year and Huberdeau being so bad. Weegar was good for half the season like Kadri but his play improved down the stretch so encouraging going forward as opposed to Kadri who got off to a hot start and fizzled down the stretch

Bean stating they thought about rebuilding and shortly after saying he is not allowed to use the word rebuild let’s fans connect the dots the owner pushed for the Florida deal

[Flames67]

The criticism on the Tkachuk trade seems really out to lunch.

Yes Huberdeau has a huge pay cheque coming in that is difficult to manage, but it’s not as though he isn’t worth it. He played one year in an entirely new locker room, with a coach that had him playing a system he’s never played, he has all the time to prove himself. Is anyone complaining about Bobrovsky’s cap hit right now after being a pylon for four years?

People seem to forget that Weegar and a first came over as well. That first helped us offload Monahan with no other cost. Weegar suffered the same symptoms as Huberdeau but is killing it at the IIHF tournament right now, have we given up on him too?

There’s a lot of time for this deal to really pan out, no one should be judging Tre too hard on this deal when he made it happen in a week.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CFO

Is 3rd for Lindholm is possible. Rather flames move 3rd to Arizona for 6 and 12

This team needs high end skill more than any other in the league.

3 >>> 6+12 all day long for me

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bean stating they thought about rebuilding and shortly after saying he is not allowed to use the word rebuild let’s fans connect the dots the owner pushed for the Florida deal

Context here is everything though.

He said that he isn't allowed to use the word rebuild, but then immediately acknowledged that those kinds of moves are justifiable at times. I just don't think they like to use the word because it implies a long duration of not competing, not that you can't make moves for the future.

Small market Canadian teams have enough trouble attracting and keeping talent and most players don't want to play for a team that is openly rebuilding, so you have to use your words carefully. He made the point that in isolation, moves that trade current assets for future potential are fine, but stating that you are committed to multi-year rebuild is what they are resistant to doing, and that totally makes sense. Some fans and media people like Seravalli, filled in the gaps with their own narrative to paint a picture where Treliving didn't have a choice, but that is just their speculation.

[shutout]

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...x%20DeBrincat.

Chicago Blackhawks
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators

Last one is the only one that makes sense to me because they are closer to competing and can give up futures to get better now.

[1qqaaz]

As far as Huberdeau is concerned, retaining salary for 8 years would be pretty painful, even if it was just a million dollars.

The Flames would probably be better suited to avoiding selling low.

[bdubbs]

Drafting 3 and 16 this draft would help sell more seats for the coming years, that's for sure. Especially if the philosophy is for young players to get a fair shot at playing in the NHL lineup.

[Monahammer]

Trading Monahan + a 1st to sign Kadri is the deal that really f'd this team. The Tkachuk trade was fine. Kadri is a total boat anchor and will be for the entire contract.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trading Monahan + a 1st to sign Kadri is the deal that really f'd this team. The Tkachuk trade was fine. Kadri is a total boat anchor and will be for the entire contract.

You don't know that. Give him a season away from Sutter and see how it goes.

In hindsight that deal is bad, but you can not judge Kadri for last season. Coming off a long playoff run,a major injury and very little offseason to prepare.