2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What contract are you dumping him to sign that? Also, Lindholm is getting the Horvat deal at minimum

I don't disagree, and when he does, it will be one of those contracts that will be nearly impossible to move, not unlike the Kadri and Huberdeau deals.

As it is right now, assuming the cap goes up as projected, we don't even have enough cap space to fill out the roster with league minimum deals. Signing Lindholm to a long term contract at market value will be impossible unless we some how manage to ditch one of the Kadri, Markstrom, or Huberdeau. The first 2 would still require ditching another big contract as well.

You could deal a combination with 2 or more of Backlund, Hanifin, Coleman, Andersson, Mangianpane, Tanev, and Zadorov to make room if you replace them with replacement level players, but I am not sure stripping the team down is worth accommodating Lindholm, another player that will be post-apex long before his contract is over.

Edit: I guess the new deal wouldn't kick in until the following season, but I still don't think you can have Lindholm, plus Kadri and Huberdeau making that dough into their 30s and not handicap the team in the long run. It might be good for a few years, but we would live to regret it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Listened to Conroy’s interview with Seravalli. When asked about Wolf he said a goalie would have to move out to give Wolf an NHL spot. I feel like Vladar is gonna get moved

Part of me thinks Conroy would be open to moving Markstrom too if there was a taker.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Part of me thinks Conroy would be open to moving Markstrom too if there was a taker.

That is my hope. I doubt there will be any takers though, but the extra $5 million in cap space would be a godsend, versus the $1.5 million you get for trading Vladar. At this point, I think Vladar has more long term upside than Markstrom anyway.

The Flames have the 3rd highest cap hit in the league going into the 2023/2024 off season with only 18 players on the roster and $1.25 in available cap space. If we could trim the fat by trading Markstrom, that is the path to take.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That is my hope. I doubt there will be any takers though, but the extra $5 million in cap space would be a godsend, versus the $1.5 million you get for trading Vladar. At this point, I think Vladar has more long term upside than Markstrom anyway.

The Flames have the 3rd highest cap hit in the league going into the 2023/2024 off season with only 18 players on the roster and $1.25 in available cap space. If we could trim the fat by trading Markstrom, that is the path to take.

If Matt Murray can get moved you never know. Plus I think teams look at it as 1 season blip, look at a guy like Bob carrying the Panthers this year, and also see a pretty bare goalie market this year.

I look at New Jersey, Carolina, Buffalo, and Ottawa and feel like any of them would take a flyer on Markstrom at 3 x $6M.

Flames might have to take a contract back but I think it would work.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There are plenty of moveable contracts. Toffoli, Backlund, Tanev, Zadorov, Vladar.....

If he wants the Horvat deal give it to him, he is the most irreplaceable player on this team.

and if he wants 9.5 to stay on the Flames?

Huberdeau (10.5) - Kadri (7) - x
Mangiapane (5.8) - Lindholm (8.5) - Coleman (4.9)

Weegar (6.25) - Andersson (4.55)


Markstrom (6)

That would be 52.5 million committed to the cap and lets they cap is 85 million by then. Do you think that is the bones of a contender? 32.5 million left for a top 6 winger or two, a whole bottom six , 4 defencemen and a backup.

You'd be putting a lot of faith in two older top 6 centers. That is why I am on team re-tool. Lindholm, Kadri, and Lindholm can probably keep getting the Flames to a cusp of a playoff spot.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Matt Murray can get moved you never know. Plus I think teams look at it as 1 season blip, look at a guy like Bob carrying the Panthers this year, and also see a pretty bare goalie market this year.

I look at New Jersey, Carolina, Buffalo, and Ottawa and feel like any of them would take a flyer on Markstrom at 3 x $6M.

Flames might have to take a contract back but I think it would work.

If the Flames want to compete next year I can't see them riding with a Wolf/Vladar tandem

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

and if he wants 9.5 to stay on the Flames?

Huberdeau (10.5) - Kadri (7) - x
Mangiapane (5.8) - Lindholm (8.5) - Coleman (4.9)

Weegar (6.25) - Andersson (4.55)


Markstrom (6)

That would be 52.5 million committed to the cap and lets they cap is 85 million by then. Do you think that is the bones of a contender? 32.5 million left for a top 6 winger or two, a whole bottom six , 4 defencemen and a backup.

You'd be putting a lot of faith in two older top 6 centers. That is why I am on team re-tool. Lindholm, Kadri, and Lindholm can probably keep getting the Flames to a cusp of a playoff spot.

The cusp? With terrible goaltending, crazy coaching decisions, and total team chaos they had 93 points...more than a certain other team

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

and if he wants 9.5 to stay on the Flames?

Huberdeau (10.5) - Kadri (7) - x
Mangiapane (5.8) - Lindholm (8.5) - Coleman (4.9)

Weegar (6.25) - Andersson (4.55)


Markstrom (6)

That would be 52.5 million committed to the cap and lets they cap is 85 million by then. Do you think that is the bones of a contender? 32.5 million left for a top 6 winger or two, a whole bottom six , 4 defencemen and a backup.

You'd be putting a lot of faith in two older top 6 centers. That is why I am on team re-tool. Lindholm, Kadri, and Lindholm can probably keep getting the Flames to a cusp of a playoff spot.

If he wants 9.5 you trade him. He isn't going to ask that though I don't think. I think you can get it done for 8.5. Centre depth is extremely important and you have nothing in the pipeline nor on the roster to replace Lindholm.

[sketchyt]

Factoring age and playing an uptempo style, I'd make keeping Hanifin a priority but I haven't done the accounting if that's even possible. Not easy finding a minute munching dman like him though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The cusp? With terrible goaltending, crazy coaching decisions, and total team chaos they had 93 points...more than a certain other team

Yeah, and there is no way they can keep all the UFAs. That would be the roster in 25/26 and one cheap year left of Andersson. So if you commit to Lindholm then you are committing to building around those bones and backfilling some important roles with young players. I think that that core is good enough every year to sniff around the playoffs and get the 18th to 10th overall pick outside of a hot run from Markstrom.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If he wants 9.5 you trade him. He isn't going to ask that though I don't think. I think you can get it done for 8.5. Centre depth is extremely important and you have nothing in the pipeline nor on the roster to replace Lindholm.

That is kind of the problem with the roster and prospect pipeline though. A continually older center duo of Kadri and Lindholm doesn't get you deep in the playoffs but is decent enough to keep them in a crappy pick range.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Factoring age and playing an uptempo style, I'd make keeping Hanifin a priority but I haven't done the accounting if that's even possible. Not easy finding a minute munching dman like him though.

Trade tanev. Keep hanafin.

[Knut]

Trade them all.. Max out the returns as much as possible. Change up the core completely.

Accumulate draft picks and sign some vets in free agency. Let the kids have a chance.

[CliffFletcher]

The following isn’t what I would do (which is aggressively rebuild/retool). This is what I would do if I’m Craig Conroy and my marching orders are to compete for the next 2-3 seasons, while trying to get younger and manage assets affectively

Lindholm - Keep. Conroy remarked that Lindholm is the kind of player who will be effective into this 30s, which suggests they want to extend him. The deal will probably look bad the last 2-3 seasons, but he gives you a good 1C/2C for the next 4-6 seasons.

Hanifin - Trade. Selling high and from a position of strength, Hanifin is the best asset to move for a substantial return. CBJ would be a good fit - they’re desperate for a LD and will have money to extend Hanifin.

Backlund - Trade. This is tough, but if you extend Lindholm you can’t extend Backlund too. And he’s too valuable to let walk. Again, selling high and from a position (C) of strength. COL or CAR could be good partners.

Toffoli - Keep. It’s hard to see how the Flames could trade their top scorer from last season - likely as a rental for picks - and still improve on the ice next season. Toffoli is a character guy and wants to be here. Talk extension this summer, and if he won’t sign a reasonable deal ride it it out and be prepared to deal him at the deadline if the team isn’t in a playoff spot.

Tanev - Keep. With his recent injury history he doesn’t have great value atm. And if Hanifin is moved out, his steadying presence will be needed (maybe reunited with Kylington). Like Toffoli, be prepared to move him at the deadline if the Flames are out of it.

Zadorov - Keep. He brings an element the defence lacks, and can move up the lineup if Kylington falters.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If the Flames want to compete next year I can't see them riding with a Wolf/Vladar tandem

I'm not sure how much they are looking to "contend" vs just "remain competitive"

The pending UFAs and what Conroy said about getting younger makes me thing they know next year might be rough depending on what happens this offseason.

Vladar-Wolf is probably not much worse than Markstrom-Vladar was this past season. But probably has the lower top end upside compared to a Markstrom bounce back season.

Really it depends on what the org thinks about Vladar. If they still think it's a long term answer here then you don't move on from him at the age of 25.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Knut

Trade them all.. Max out the returns as much as possible. Change up the core completely.

Accumulate draft picks and sign some vets in free agency. Let the kids have a chance.

So, after trading them all to get the draft picks and opening up cap space, then go out and sign some over price past their prime vets in FA?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Factoring age and playing an uptempo style, I'd make keeping Hanifin a priority but I haven't done the accounting if that's even possible. Not easy finding a minute munching dman like him though.

Yeah, I'd only trade Hanifin if you are getting a legit first line forward back. Historically, in desperate markets for d-men, players far worse than Hanifin have brought back some huge returns.

If you're trading Hanifin just for the sake of it or a late 1st/B prospect, that's awful asset management. He's young enough that you can sign him long-term and trade him later.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

So, after trading them all to get the draft picks and opening up cap space, then go out and sign some over price past their prime vets in FA?

Sure. Its a free asset. You pay a premium but you are not spending any assets.

Leave room for the kids to come in but stay competitive while having a tonne of draft capital.

We all know this team wont rebuild. This is the best way to stay competitive and transition to a younger faster team.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Part of me thinks Conroy would be open to moving Markstrom too if there was a taker.

An argument could be made that if a $10M Bobrovsky can miraculously bounce back midseason and single handedly carry Florida to a SCF, then Markstrom can rebound as well. Conversely you could point to the Vegas goaltenders and say they are excelling despite their lack of experience.

Vladar and Wolf have 56 combined NHL games between them. For arguments sake, lets say we give away Markstrom for free tomorrow. How many people would be comfortable with a Vladar/Wolf tandem next year?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

I was with you on Toffoli, but Steinberg has a really good point, he is one of the few players that wants to be here, so I think we may need him to help build the culture. Even if all the changes have changed a few players minds, they may still be on the fence. So you probably go with the guys that want to be here and win here. If other guys are on the fence and are not signed before the season you trade them. IF you can get Toffoli on a 3-4 year deal around similar money as he makes now, it would be worth it. If he is looking for longer term you have to trade him.
.

Personally, I would be poking at Seattle to see if there's a Toffoli for Sprong trade that could work. Get younger, and create competition between Sprong and Coronato for that PP1 spot rather than just hand it to Toffoli by default

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

An argument could be made that if a $10M Bobrovsky can miraculously bounce back midseason and single handedly carry Florida to a SCF, then Markstrom can rebound as well. Conversely you could point to the Vegas goaltenders and say they are excelling despite their lack of experience.

Vladar and Wolf have 56 combined NHL games between them. For arguments sake, lets say we give away Markstrom for free tomorrow. How many people would be comfortable with a Vladar/Wolf tandem next year?

If I'm being honest, I'm not comfortable with any combination of two of those three goalies.

Wolf is totally unproven at the level, and the other two were pathetic this season.

But IMO Wolf has to be in the NHL next season. Two straight seasons of being the best goalie in the AHL, he's done enough down there. Time to move him up.