2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

There has only been one time that a top 10 pick was traded in the Cap era. It was for Corey Schneider, and it was the devils attempting to fill a Martin Brodeur sized hole. Schneider at that time was as if Wolf had come into the NHL and already performed very well.

It is highly unlikely that any top 10 picks are traded, for anything.

Carolina traded the 8th in 2012 for Jordan Staal

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Washington has not drafted this high since 2007. I think it would take a massive overpayment to get that pick from them.


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But will that pick help Ovi win another cup?? It's debatable he has a chance to win again.

[Ashasx]

the Canucks traded the 9th overall pick for the privilege of obtaining OEL's contract.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

But will that pick help Ovi win another cup?? It's debatable he has a chance to win again.

I'm not sure the cup is withing reach for that group any longer. I think they're more keeping the lights on for OV to get to the record, under the guise of chasing another cup.

It's a unique situation really. That being said, they need that 8th OA probably more than any other team. They have their next Russian heir apparent to build around as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There has only been one time that a top 10 pick was traded in the Cap era. It was for Corey Schneider, and it was the devils attempting to fill a Martin Brodeur sized hole. Schneider at that time was as if Wolf had come into the NHL and already performed very well.

It is highly unlikely that any top 10 picks are traded, for anything.

Interestingly the guy taken with that pick was Bo Horvat.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Interestingly the guy taken with that pick was Bo Horvat.

Lou traded Bo Horvat and Lou traded for Bo Horvat

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So Conroy in the recent press conference talks about having 7 UFAs that he has to deal with. We can all safely assume that all 7 will NOT be here next season, and that we are trying to inject more youth into the lineup.

Who stays and who goes, and if you think someone goes, what do you think we can get for that player?

1) Backlund
2) Lindholm
3) Toffoli
4) Hanifin
5) Tanev
6) Kylington
7) Zadorov

Personally, from that list, I would keep Kylington.

I'm 50/50 on Zadorov, really boils down to salary. He is a solid #4/#5D so he would need to be paid like that.

Hanifin should get a decent asset return. I'd rather see if Poirier can take a roster spot.

I want to keep Backlund but if he wants to win a cup elsewhere, then that is that.

Lindholm is going to expect a huge raise, and I just don't think he's worth it. Good defensive 2C, but the 80pt seasons were a gaudreau driven outlier. This isn't patrice bergeron, it's more of a craig conroy. It'll suck to lose a rhs forward, so that would need to be the priority coming back.

Toffoli is a sell high no brainer. A contender could use him

Tanev will be maginalized by Weegar and Andersson in my opinion, and he's the oldest of the trio. If we want to get young, or even keep a stecher type to drive offense, someone needs to go. Tanev could get us a nice return

[apikuni]

I think the Flames should target Marco Rossi or someone like that in a trade with one of their expiring contracts.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There has only been one time that a top 10 pick was traded in the Cap era. It was for Corey Schneider, and it was the devils attempting to fill a Martin Brodeur sized hole. Schneider at that time was as if Wolf had come into the NHL and already performed very well.

It is highly unlikely that any top 10 picks are traded, for anything.

Ottawa traded the 7th pick last year for Debrincat

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There has only been one time that a top 10 pick was traded in the Cap era. It was for Corey Schneider, and it was the devils attempting to fill a Martin Brodeur sized hole. Schneider at that time was as if Wolf had come into the NHL and already performed very well.

It is highly unlikely that any top 10 picks are traded, for anything.

There has been at least 5 trades for top 10 picks.

8th pick traded for Staal - 2012
8th pick traded for Carter - 2011
9th pick traded for OEL/Garland - 2021
9th pick traded for Schneider (as mentioned) - 2013
7th pick traded for Debrincat - 2022

Not getting into the top 7 it seems but teams have moved picks in the 8-9 range in the past. It happened 3 years in a row 2011-2013 and 10 years later it can happen 3 times in a row if it occurs this year.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by apikuni

I think the Flames should target Marco Rossi or someone like that in a trade with one of their expiring contracts.

I obviously second that, but Minnesota would be stupid to give up on him. He hasn't put it all together, but he's also lost a ful season of development to Covid complications. I'm biased, but I'm convinced he has massive breakout potenrial next year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by devo22

I obviously second that, but Minnesota would be stupid to give up on him. He hasn't put it all together, but he's also lost a ful season of development to Covid complications. I'm biased, but I'm convinced he has massive breakout potenrial next year.

They’re going to rely heavily on him too to crack the team with the buyout penalties they’ll have to deal with.

[stemit14]

Unfortunately, I think it’s extremely unlikely any picks are moved in the top ten of this draft. Lots of people have said this is one of the most skilled drafts of the last decade. When I look at the draft order and the teams with first round picks, I think the only teams whose 2023 first round picks could be acquired for the players the flames have are probably Carolina, Vegas, Toronto, Colorado, and maybe Minnesota. Of those picks… Minnesota’s pick is the highest at 21st overall.

I just look at all the other teams in the first round and they are either desperate to restock their prospect cupboards (Pittsburgh, Washington, St. Louis) or are still rebuilding (Detroit, Phoenix, etc.). I suppose there is a chance a team like Buffalo could move 13th overall in order to try and make the playoffs… they are desperate just to get in.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The hope is that by being a seller at every trade deadline and amassing futures will better the team's playoff chances in subsequent seasons.

This folks is how you become the Arizona Coyotes.

[sureLoss]

Conroy says he would like to add a top 6 forward

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661413114733002766

[dino7c]

Stars play more! What a concept

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Personally, from that list, I would keep Kylington.

I'm 50/50 on Zadorov, really boils down to salary. He is a solid #4/#5D so he would need to be paid like that.

Hanifin should get a decent asset return. I'd rather see if Poirier can take a roster spot.

I want to keep Backlund but if he wants to win a cup elsewhere, then that is that.

Lindholm is going to expect a huge raise, and I just don't think he's worth it. Good defensive 2C, but the 80pt seasons were a gaudreau driven outlier. This isn't patrice bergeron, it's more of a craig conroy. It'll suck to lose a rhs forward, so that would need to be the priority coming back.

Toffoli is a sell high no brainer. A contender could use him

Tanev will be maginalized by Weegar and Andersson in my opinion, and he's the oldest of the trio. If we want to get young, or even keep a stecher type to drive offense, someone needs to go. Tanev could get us a nice return

I was with you on Toffoli, but Steinberg has a really good point, he is one of the few players that wants to be here, so I think we may need him to help build the culture. Even if all the changes have changed a few players minds, they may still be on the fence. So you probably go with the guys that want to be here and win here. If other guys are on the fence and are not signed before the season you trade them. IF you can get Toffoli on a 3-4 year deal around similar money as he makes now, it would be worth it. If he is looking for longer term you have to trade him.

As for Tanev, I actually think the Flames should look at trading him this summer with 1 or 2 mil retained. He would be a good return at the deadline, but I think there is too much risk that he could be injured and then they get nothing for him. The retention would really up the price.

[expo2428]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

But will that pick help Ovi win another cup?? It's debatable he has a chance to win again.

The caps won their cup. Ovechkin has made very clear now he's only playing to break the goals record. Team isn't even close to being competitive anymore.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So Conroy in the recent press conference talks about having 7 UFAs that he has to deal with. We can all safely assume that all 7 will NOT be here next season, and that we are trying to inject more youth into the lineup.

Who stays and who goes, and if you think someone goes, what do you think we can get for that player?

1) Backlund
2) Lindholm
3) Toffoli
4) Hanifin
5) Tanev
6) Kylington
7) Zadorov

Quoting myself since I didn't answer the question and I've got a little time to do so:

1) Backlund - 50/50 --> This is contingent on his recent demands. I agree with those that if we can sign him to a very reasonable deal (that doesn't hinder the team in any way, then go for it). He is a great middle 6 C that looks like age isn't slowing him down at all. Has been with the organization his whole career, would love to keep him for the remainder of it if something works out.

2) Lindholm - TRADE --> The offseason of 2022 was the deciding factor for me in what to do with Lindholm. Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving really hurt his point production. I originally thought this would have been a tougher decision to make, but that was assuming Lindholm wouldn't skip a beat without Gaudreau and Tkachuk. I also thought he would have had a little bit better chemistry with Huberdeau, but Huberdeau was also struggling. Lastly, the Kadri signing pretty much takes Lindholm out of consideration. Do I prefer Lindholm? Absolutely. But, we already paid a 1st and signed a 30 year old center to a 7 year contract, we cannot do the same. Lindholm, pack your bags.

3) Toffoli - KEEP --> Might be an unpopular opinion, but I doubt many teams would buy high on Toffoli. I really liked his play here, and I think he would consider staying here for the right price and term. We can't handcuff ourselves though. I just know our RW position is weak, so ideally I'd like Coronato and Toffoli as our top 6 RWers in the future. Youth injection is important, but veterans help you get far in the playoffs.

4) Hanifin - TRADE --> I've got nothing but good things to say about Hanifin, but this is the perfect time to sell high on a player. He's not a top pairing guy, but he's a great #3 on almost every team out there. This guy, behind Lindholm, would get us the best return. And I think Calgary could manage with Kylington and Zadorov as the 4/5s, alternating who plays the middle paring with Tanev.

5) Tanev - KEEP --> This guy would have more value if he wasn't so injury prone. Because he's injury prone, I like him as the mainstay guy on the middle pairing. He allows his D partner (Hanifin/Kylington/Weegar) to get more engaged offensively. When injured, it provides opportunity for youth to play. We don't have very many good D prospects at the moment, which is another reason why we need to retain Tanev. He's a rock and a warrior on the back end.
6) Kylington - KEEP --> I am not saying that he makes Hanifin expendable, but we have to keep one and trade the other. I don't see a scenario that makes sense in keeping both. Kylington will get more pp time, more ES time, and better opportunity to improve his game with Hanifin gone. Lastly, Kylington in my POV would cost a lot less in term and in $'s. Have to retain Kylington. If Kylington is struggling out of the gate, use Zadorov in the middle pairing spot until Kylington's up to speed.

7) Zadorov - KEEP --> This is a guy that I would like to keep because he's a great bottom pairing guy that can play middle pairing when necessary. Unless some team was looking for some truculence and a big man to make some hits, we can gladly take overpayment for him. Assuming that doesn't happen though, I'd rather we keep the guy that has already shown he likes it in Calgary and has re-signed with us. Could see him doing it again too.

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Stars play more! What a concept

Sounds like he's going to let them play their game more. Having a guy like Huberdeau being forced into a two way shut down role is absurd. He holds the record for most assists by a LW in a season...let him assist on some goals.