2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Sillinger was rushed into the nhl by a crummy team and still scored 16 goals as an 18 year old with little to no help. Over a ppg in the whl as a 16 year old. This guy could still be a player just needs a change of scenery.

Johnson won't be traded

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then maybe you sweeten the pot. Getting a young centre that projects as a #1 should be paramount to this organization. If you are going to move Lindholm you put him on the market soon and take your time, let the bidding war grow. I don't see the upside in Sillinger to be that #1 C.

Yeah. I just don’t think Lindholm returns that. If he had term on his contract then maybe I could see it but contenders aren’t going to have a expendable center with #1 potential and there isn’t enough control for a team like Columbus to give one up. The only player I see with the potential value for something like that is Andersson just like Hamilton

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. I just don’t think Lindholm returns that. If he had term on his contract then maybe I could see it but contenders aren’t going to have a expendable center with #1 potential and there isn’t enough control for a team like Columbus to give one up. The only player I see with the potential value for something like that is Andersson just like Hamilton

Well we will disagree on that. GM's get stupid when they start bidding against eachother. We see it every year.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Iu agree with this which is why there is no trade there. I am sure they would do Sillinger for Lindholm which would be an absolute loss for us. If the Flames move Lindholm they need to bring in a guy who can replace him now or in the very near future, even if you have to add to Lindholm to do so. I guess a lot depends to on if they feel they can sign Lindholm to a long term extension. The Flames would be better served waiting on a better offer, even if you move him at the trade deadline how much is a 70 point Selke caliber C worth at dirty cheap salary? If the Flames move Lindholm they have to slam dunk that trade.

I think Sillinger still has lots of potential, but probably not going to be a clear cut #1 center. That's why it would need to be Sillinger +.
The reality is that you're almost certainly not getting a young center with clear 1st line potential for Lindholm (from Columbus or anywhere else), so you need to try to find a young center that has potential, but has fallen out of favor/needs a change of scenery. Maybe that's not Sillinger, but I think that's the level of prospect we should realistically be expecting.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If they can get Huberdeau up to being a PPG player or better next season, increasing his trade value would be one benefit. If we ended up losing Lindholm, having a tradeable Huberdeau would give the team a lot more flexibility after that. Even if there were still no takers on that contract, or if the team didn't want to trade him, a big rebound season would create some gravity when it comes to luring a potential replacement for Lindholm.

If Huberdeau has another 50-60 point season next year, I think it would be catastrophic for the team in the future. Not only would we be stuck with that contract for the following 7 years, but it would make it even harder to bring in good players to play with with him. I am not sure that whatever we get for Lindholm would make up for the negatives that another poor Huberdeau season would give us. That's why I think everything needs to be done to get his numbers up next season.

I think the Flames are stuck with Huberdeau’s contract no matter what and if he pulls another 50 point season then the Flames will be rebuilding anyways

[Major Major]

If we're talking about CBJ or DET, I think you should look for a Dillinger tier asset plus a 2024 1st.

You maximize lindholm's value by letting it get to July 1 and also retain 50%. Blue jackets or wings might be in that place where they're willing to gamble on finally turning the corner. Minimal protection if any on that pick.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

IMO its either an extension before draft day or gonzo in a deal. You cannot let Lindy just walk or wait til the deadline in case of poor performance and/or injury.

Conroy is going directly into the fire after Tuesdays presser which I suspect is why the Nonis addition is immediate as well.

Doesn't have to be before the draft to make the deal. But you need to know what way you're going by that time. The deal itself can happen after the draft. Just that if it happens after round one it's a speculative 2024 first that you likely take back in the package.

[Bonded]

Lindholm + Hanifin + pick for a young top six centre. Tkachuk some other team lol

[Harry Lime]

I love how this discussion is slowly revolving back towards sillinger, #22 and Marchenko being a win-win for both teams.

Marchenko and Coronato as 1-2 right wings would be great. Two top teir shots.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Marchenko/Sillinger
Cuelemans
2023 1st (LA)
2024 3rd (CBJ)

For

Lindholm

Jackets probably only want to part with one of the forward prospects and cuelemans would be a good pickup to start stocking up on D prospects ready in 2-3 years.

Or figure out a way to acquire Bean and flip Hanifin to someone else.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'll be surprised if Lindholm as a pending UFA can bring back more than a 1st and 2nd rounder, plus a second tier prospect, like a Heineman or Schwindt type. It's also most likely that any team trading for him as a rental will be a contender and the 1st round will likely be late in the round.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'll be surprised if Lindholm as a pending UFA can bring back more than a 1st and 2nd rounder, plus a second tier prospect, like a Heineman or Schwindt type. It's also most likely that any team trading for him as a rental will be a contender and the 1st round will likely be late in the round.

That’s why I’d rather take a swing on an underperforming player with upside. Lindholm was a second line RW when the Flames got him

[Hackey]

If Lindholm gets traded some of you are going to be really disappointed. He's a pending UFA. This needs to be viewed as something is better than nothing because Lindholm isn't re-signing.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sillinger was rushed into the nhl by a crummy team and still scored 16 goals as an 18 year old with little to no help. Over a ppg in the whl as a 16 year old. This guy could still be a player just needs a change of scenery.

Johnson won't be traded

Yep Sillinger plus a pick is a great trade for Lindholm. I'd welcome that. A Lindholm extension gives us like 5 expensive, +30 players on long contracts. You simply cannot do that when you don't even have a contending core.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Lindholm gets traded some of you are going to be really disappointed. He's a pending UFA. This needs to be viewed as something is better than nothing because Lindholm isn't re-signing.

If they were smart they'd suck it up and announce that they're retaining 50% of his final year to the league to maximize the amount of teams in the mix and the offers. It's not like us as we have to maximize cap every year as a middling team.

But that small $2.4 or whatever cap for one year might be the difference between 6 teams and 12 teams with offers. It could be the difference in contenders staying away and contenders coming in and saying "this hot prospect we have is two years away from helping, while Lindholm is a 1A/1B centre that could be the difference between a cup/no cup".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Lindholm gets traded some of you are going to be really disappointed. He's a pending UFA. This needs to be viewed as something is better than nothing because Lindholm isn't re-signing.

Yeah, I feel bad for Conroy if one of his first moves has to be trading Lindholm if expectations for a return are this high among the fanbase. There are going to be some pretty upset people when they see the return IMO.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Lindholm gets traded some of you are going to be really disappointed. He's a pending UFA. This needs to be viewed as something is better than nothing because Lindholm isn't re-signing.

Yeah to me he has more value as a hired gun with half his salary retained on a team that’s trying to win a cup with no cap space.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah to me he has more value as a hired gun with half his salary retained on a team that’s trying to win a cup with no cap space.

That's what I was getting at. Your two options for Lindholm will likely be

a) up and coming team that sees him as a prime centre for 4-5 years and will pay $9mil or so for 8 years to get that out of him and take their medicine on the back end.

b) contenders that see him as a prime player at an important position that can solidify a strong team down the middle and take them from outside contender to favourite next playoffs.

We need to leverage this asset to both those groups and retaining 50% is critical to pleasing the latter, and the 2.4mil retained SHOULD be inconsequential to us. I also think option B gets us a better return, as even contenders have blue chip prospects in their system and will be way more willing to part with them than up and coming teams who see their blue chip prospects as being ready for action durning their contention period.

[Vinny01]

Perhaps the Flames let Lindholm’s agent talk to teams before a deal and they know if they can sign him or not so it is more like a 1 year cheap deal + 8 years big money. I could see Lindholm snagging the 23rd pick+ Sillinger if there is a willingness to sign in Columbus.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Lindholm gets traded some of you are going to be really disappointed. He's a pending UFA. This needs to be viewed as something is better than nothing because Lindholm isn't re-signing.

And you know this how? Do you have someone on the inside? You know Lindholm or his agent? Can you provide a source that Lindholm is not re-signing or is this just speculation on your part?