Calgary Police Officer Killed During New Years Traffic Stop

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The irony of you calling someone else out about being on a soapbox is hilarious.

Remoresful and putting life on right path....AFTER being part of taking an innocent life and getting caught?....that never happens.

Probably found/rediscovered a deity of some sort while spending less than 18 months locked up as well.....cuz....that happens all the time too!

That would be the exacta of reasoning from those wishing to get out of jail.

Again though, this is far far from the only example of this occurring. Hell, just last year we had 2 guys slaughter people all over N Saskatchewan and one of them should have never been out. But you know...he was just trying to get on the right path et al.

Carry on though on your high moral horse worrying about this kid and those who actually commit crimes and hurt others.

I will choose to think about the Harnett family and friends left behind who are the real ones trying to get on with their lives, then get dealt this horse#### example of "Canadian justice working like it should".

It doesn’t matter if this is the only example of this occurring or not, we’re talking about this example and whether it’s actually a valid example of what you’re complaining about. We could also talk about examples of people who actually murdered people, didn’t fulfill their entire sentence, and haven’t reoffended. Do those matter?

You understand that he was the passenger, right? You understand calling him a murderer is factually incorrect?

I’m just not sure what you want. If he was sentenced to his time with parole eligibility, and you want the sentence upheld… does that just not include the parole eligibility to you? You’re basically asking for a different sentence entirely, right?

Do you think sentences should be reviewed? What if someone serves 20 years for murder, shows zero remorse and zero rehabilitation, is a huge threat upon release, and still gets released because they served their full sentence? Is that a win to you in a world where nobody is evaluated while in prison?

And I’m not sure you understand what irony is, or you would have recognized it pretty quick when you ranted about someone being on their “high horse” and followed it up with “I choose to think about the Harnett family.” Easy there hero, don’t let too many people know how noble those thoughts of yours are or they might build you a statue.

It’s possible to discuss this without whatever brand of moral grandstanding you’re trying at.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Let's be clear here, he was the passenger but was really just as blameworthy as the driver. He yelled for the driver to go, then took the wheel to steer while the driver tried to push the officer off the car door, ultimately sending him into oncoming traffic. It was really a team effort murder. Of course, he was sentenced to manslaughter.

From the other side, he's spent more than 18 months in prison hasn't he? Wasn't he in jail throughout trial, and so on? I would think he's spent more than 2 years locked up actually. Which is quite a long time for a 20 year old (when the crime was committed).

[MBates]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Let's be clear here, he was the passenger but was really just as blameworthy as the driver. He yelled for the driver to go, then took the wheel to steer while the driver tried to push the officer off the car door, ultimately sending him into oncoming traffic. It was really a team effort murder. Of course, he was sentenced to manslaughter.

From the other side, he's spent more than 18 months in prison hasn't he? Wasn't he in jail throughout trial, and so on? I would think he's spent more than 2 years locked up actually. Which is quite a long time for a 20 year old (when the crime was committed).

Well, the bolded is not at all true according to:

(a) the agreed upon manslaughter guilty plea;
(b) the facts as agreed to between the prosecutor and the accused (supported by body worn camera video); and
(c) the findings of the judge in sentencing.

Here is a report of the sentencing:

Hall said the sentence would have been six years, but he deducted one year because of mitigating factors, including the guilty plea, Abdulrahman's young age and his expression of remorse.

The judge also ruled that Abdulrahman was a "minor participant" in fleeing, he was "at no time the direct operator" of the SUV and his "movements were reactionary."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ence-1.6330001


However, the second part of your post is helpful in trying to bring the discussion to actual facts.

The offender received a 5 year sentence, but from the same article, because of his pre-trial custody it was reported as of the date of his sentencing, he had only 3 years and 5 months left to serve.

The offender was arrested after turning himself in on the night of the incident (January 1, 2021) and the sentencing was on January 28, 2022. So actual time served in jail for that period was 392 actual days - all in remand which involves notoriously outrageous conditions (and he appears to have therefore received 1.5 to 1 credit).

From January 28, 2022 until May 18, 2023 (the apparent day that the Parole Board denied full parole but approved day parole in a halfway house setting - not his home as others have suggested) is about 475 days in the federal penitentiary - which would be much less restrictive and harsh time than the remand time.

So, on my math this person served 867 actual days physically in jail split between remand and prison.

He was deemed to have served about 575 days pre-trial custody so total sentence served to date is about 1050/1825 days. He is now allowed to serve the next portion of his sentence under conditions in a halfway house. It is certainly not prison but it is certainly not freedom either.

Is this 'enough' time to be considered 'just'? I will not venture to say. What I note, however, is that the judge and parole board members who we literally appoint and pay to make these assessments on behalf of all of us have decided that according to the facts and the law, these are the appropriate decisions. Without evidence to the contrary, I see no good reason to doubt or undermine them.

I do know that on the parole applications I have been a part of, the stacks of reports and assessments are large, and the analysis of all aspects of an offender's life (far beyond the circumstances of the offence) is very thorough.

For what it is worth.

[Locke]

Dammit Bates! You're on the Case!

[jayswin]

I wish he posted more. Just excellent info and a very neat eye into the criminal justice system for us laymans.

[Spurs]

The 1.5 for 1 credit is such BS and who cares if he is young? That doesn’t change the fact he is a piece of #### murderer. Is the officer any less dead because this scumbag was young?

I think it shows why just because people are paid or appointed means they make anything close to good decisions.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Keep him in prison for AT LEAST 2/3rds of his sentence....if not all of it.

As for the 1st question....what does it matter? All that stuff was litigated and introduced during trial and considered during sentencing.

What is the point of any sentence given in this country when in reality it will very very rarely be what ends up happening? Particularly when it is in regards to the taking of innocent lives.

Again...extremely broken system and one that allows so many out who end up re-offending. ridiculous honestly and i am far from a guy who pumps the crime and punishment signal.

Whatever it is we have right now simply is not working and very few have the balls or are willing to risk political capital to tackle it apparently.

The first question matters because it's needed to answer the second question.

The second question is not what you would have done as a parole board, but what you would have done as the offender in the situation in question.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

The 1.5 for 1 credit is such BS and who cares if he is young? That doesn’t change the fact he is a piece of #### murderer. Is the officer any less dead because this scumbag was young?

I think it shows why just because people are paid or appointed means they make anything close to good decisions.

He isn’t a murderer. He was never accused of murder, never committed murder, and was not found guilty of murder after trial.

Who cares? I don’t know. Society cares, obviously. The justice system cares. The same justice system that Sgt. Harnett spent his life serving, and according to his brother, he probably would have cared.

You and guys like transplant want to be angry? Cool. Who cares? Nobody.

[White Out 403]

I feel like in threads like this everyone should have a disclaimer at the end of their post, identifying if they believe prison time should be there to punish someone, or, rehabilitate them.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I feel like in threads like this everyone should have a disclaimer at the end of their post, identifying if they believe prison time should be there to punish someone, or, rehabilitate them.

Why not both?

[jayswin]

A degree of punishment is important, imo, but the overriding factor and focus for the betterment of society needs to be rehabilitation.

Punishment needs to be there as a deterrent and tool to dissuade from poor choices and not reach beyond that. And certainly not exist as something to quench public anger and desires for the criminal.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Why not both?

You can't have both, this isn't taco night. It has to be one or the other, at least one has to be 51%+

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I feel like in threads like this everyone should have a disclaimer at the end of their post, identifying if they believe prison time should be there to punish someone, or, rehabilitate them.

Rehabilitation??? LOL

Sure we can try but I have little to no hope for that especially in cases like this. This isn’t some kid stealing a chocolate bar when someone shows such little regard for human life rehabilitation is certainly down the list for me.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Rehabilitation??? LOL

Sure we can try but I have little to no hope for that especially in cases like this. This isn’t some kid stealing a chocolate bar when someone shows such little regard for human life rehabilitation is certainly down the list for me.

It's down the list for many citizens, that's our human nature, and that's why its important that it isn't down the list in criminal justice systems. And thankfully it isn't.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

You can't have both, this isn't taco night. It has to be one or the other, at least one has to be 51%+

Haha, ya, i wasn’t thinking of an even split. More like 80% 20% towards rehabilitation. There does imo need to be a punishment component. Losing ones freedom, is obviously a large part of that.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Haha, ya, i wasn’t thinking of an even split. More like 80% 20% towards rehabilitation. There does imo need to be a punishment component. Losing ones freedom, is obviously a large part of that.

This is a good split %

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

The taco night analogy is confusing. You get tacos on taco night, nothing else

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

The taco night analogy is confusing. You get tacos on taco night, nothing else

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Rehabilitation??? LOL

Sure we can try but I have little to no hope for that especially in cases like this. This isn’t some kid stealing a chocolate bar when someone shows such little regard for human life rehabilitation is certainly down the list for me.

Cases like this? What exactly was the situation, and if you were in the same exact postion, what would you have done differently?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Cases like this? What exactly was the situation, and if you were in the same exact postion, what would you have done differently?

Are you asking what I would do different if I was the scumbag in the passenger seat or if I was the judge/parole board members?