2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^ Those stats seems to prove the point Bax was making

Huh?

Expected goals is 5 to 15

Cf is irrelevant because it's just shots for and against you can shoot as much as you like and suppress as many shots but when you give up high danger and create nothing it's just a way to slow the game and kill pace.

Cross ice and slot all look terrible. Rush shots #1 but scoring chances #14 against quantity over quality.

You create luck just pumping shots on net is hoping something squeaks in.

High danger 27th. Says it all.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huh?

Expected goals is 5 to 15

Cf is irrelevant because it's just shots for and against you can shoot as much as you like and suppress as many shots but when you give up high danger and create nothing it's just a way to slow the game and kill pace.

Cross ice and slot all look terrible. Rush shots #1 but scoring chances #14 against quantity over quality.

You create luck just pumping shots on net is hoping something squeaks in.

High danger 27th. Says it all.

Hmm interesting. Natural statrick has their HDCF% at 11th in the league, not 27th like your numbers say.

Regardless, having the 31st PDO in the league historically has been a major sign that regression back to the mean is coming.

[AustinL_NHL]

Yea, that graph just further proves the point.

Even if you want to look at specific numbers, the graph shows the Flames as having the 15th best expected goals for and the 4th best expected goals against (an average rank of 9.5 aka top 10 team in the NHL and much better than the Jets & Preds).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yea, that graph just further proves the point.

Even if you want to look at specific numbers, the graph shows the Flames as having the 15th best expected goals for and the 4th best expected goals against (an average rank of 9.5 aka top 10 team in the NHL and much better than the Jets & Preds).

You said one of the unluckiest seasons in the last 20 which isn't wasn't.

Medicore goaltending and a poor offence with a team playing risk averse hockey doesn't make us unlucky.

15th in expected goals and 17th in actual goals places them right in line with what they produced.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Wolf? Pelletier? Coronato? Phillips might sign back with Sutter gone and if Love becomes coach

Do we really think that even with Sutter gone Wolf is likely to come in and supplant Markstrom?

Pelletier and Coronato are maybe bottom tier second liners at this point in their careers at best. I am fine with them getting time but not sure they move the needle much if at all.

Phillips has already passed through waivers and presumedly was available all year long I think it is a little naive to think it was a Sutter only thing keeping him out of the NHL.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Do we really think that even with Sutter gone Wolf is likely to come in and supplant Markstrom?

Pelletier and Coronato are maybe bottom tier second liners at this point in their careers at best. I am fine with them getting time but not sure they move the needle much if at all.

Phillips has already passed through waivers and presumedly was available all year long I think it is a little naive to think it was a Sutter only thing keeping him out of the NHL.

Markstrom has been doo doo for a season and a half. Wolf could easily beat him. The only question I have is is it wise to promote Wolf this early? He’s still young and could get rocked a couple games and that could kill confidence. But he’s probably better than Markstrom right now I’d guess.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Markstrom has been doo doo for a season and a half. Wolf could easily beat him. The only question I have is is it wise to promote Wolf this early? He’s still young and could get rocked a couple games and that could kill confidence. But he’s probably better than Markstrom right now I’d guess.

I think he could be better than Markstrom right now, my issue is how often do NHL coaches, even ones not named Daryl Sutter, play rookie goalies over veterans on big deals?

Even in Florida with Knight being there Bob still gets a ton of rope and games. I think that may be in part because of injuries to Knight, but also because coaches (in all sports) tend to be much more conservative than fans when it comes to rookies versus vets.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Your post history is embarrassing. You must be a blast at parties.

I recognize the year wasn't good but it's over. Let's try and be a little bit optimistic and positive with the changes coming.

I know the optimist vs. realist battle on this board has been a big issue in the past but what specifically have I said that is overly negative or out of line?

I have said I thought the team was a 6th-10th place team last season, is that really negative pessimistic? I think the team will be a similar team next year, again is this really some negative outlook for the team?

We have zero top 5, 10, even 20 NHL prospects. We have some guys drafted in the middle of first round and a late round goalie that is talented, but as I have said I am leery of goaltending prospects. Is it really pessimistic to ask what impact mid-first round draft picks that have been good not great since their draft year will have on a team? Is it pessimistic to be leery about a prospect goalie?

I think people read a lot of what they want in people's posts and when it doesn't align with how they want to be a fan they label them negative, pessimistic a blast at parties.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think he could be better than Markstrom right now, my issue is how often do NHL coaches, even ones not named Daryl Sutter, play rookie goalies over veterans on big deals?

Even in Florida with Knight being there Bob still gets a ton of rope and games. I think that may be in part because of injuries to Knight, but also because coaches (in all sports) tend to be much more conservative than fans when it comes to rookies versus vets.

Look up north. They did it. Vegas did it with Thompson after only 20 games the season before. Swayman split starting duties with Ullmark in 21-22. Oettinger split with Khudobin his first season. Ryan Miller had a cup of coffee and then the next season took over the starting net from Biron.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I know the optimist vs. realist battle on this board has been a big issue in the past but what specifically have I said that is overly negative or out of line?



I have said I thought the team was a 6th-10th place team last season, is that really negative pessimistic? I think the team will be a similar team next year, again is this really some negative outlook for the team?



We have zero top 5, 10, even 20 NHL prospects. We have some guys drafted in the middle of first round and a late round goalie that is talented, but as I have said I am leery of goaltending prospects. Is it really pessimistic to ask what impact mid-first round draft picks that have been good not great since their draft year will have on a team? Is it pessimistic to be leery about a prospect goalie?



I think people read a lot of what they want in people's posts and when it doesn't align with how they want to be a fan they label them negative, pessimistic a blast at parties.

This kinda illustrates my point.

You're entitled to post how you want. You're clearly a pessimist. That's ok.

But I think sometimes we know what direction the wind is blowing when you chime in and it just sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher to me. It must be exhausting. I don't want to derail the thread, but why even watch? Like why are you even a fan?

Anyways, send me a PM if you want to answer those. Let's just carry on with the thread.

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[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Look up north. They did it. Vegas did it with Thompson after only 20 games the season before. Swayman split starting duties with Ullmark in 21-22. Oettinger split with Khudobin his first season. Ryan Miller had a cup of coffee and then the next season took over the starting net from Biron.

The most ideal situation is to get out from under Markstrom's contract to a sucker who will take the chance on him. There are always suckers. Media members today think of the guy as vezina calibre! If the Flames take on a stop-gap goaltender who can take on 45 games while giving Wolf some, that would be great. If Treliving ends up in Toronto, it would be great to trade Markstrom there if he believes in him, for the contract of Murray (stash him on the IR for next year). Then sign Blackwood to a show me contract for a couple seasons to ease Wolf, and that should be a nice tandem for a couple years.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Look up north. They did it. Vegas did it with Thompson after only 20 games the season before. Swayman split starting duties with Ullmark in 21-22. Oettinger split with Khudobin his first season. Ryan Miller had a cup of coffee and then the next season took over the starting net from Biron.

Looking at that in most of those situations it took awhile for the new guy to take over and even into the 2nd season before they had a real impact, which is what I think is the most hopeful and likely situation.

Even in Edmonton we saw that Skinner taking over backfired when they got to the play-offs and many coaches would have gone back to Campbell much sooner than Woody.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Looking at that in most of those situations it took awhile for the new guy to take over and even into the 2nd season before they had a real impact, which is what I think is the most hopeful and likely situation.

Even in Edmonton we saw that Skinner taking over backfired when they got to the play-offs and many coaches would have gone back to Campbell much sooner than Woody.

Well, of course they aren't annointing him. But Markstrom may have a short leash. Or he may rebound like Bob.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Sutter is a hall of famer, but he coached last year like he wanted to be fired.

Or wanted to make a point.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Or wanted to make a point.

That point being?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The most ideal situation is to get out from under Markstrom's contract to a sucker who will take the chance on him. There are always suckers. Media members today think of the guy as vezina calibre! If the Flames take on a stop-gap goaltender who can take on 45 games while giving Wolf some, that would be great. If Treliving ends up in Toronto, it would be great to trade Markstrom there if he believes in him, for the contract of Murray (stash him on the IR for next year). Then sign Blackwood to a show me contract for a couple seasons to ease Wolf, and that should be a nice tandem for a couple years.

I think vladar has upside I think we let him run with it while wolf backup and eventually take over the number 1. I think Vladar had confidence issues from watching Sutter always go back to Markstrom no matter how bad he plays. Let's give Vlad a chance to succeed

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

That point being?

He didn't like the team assembled by Treliving.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by jayswin

He didn't like the team assembled by Treliving.

That’s a dumb reason to not coach the team to the best of their abilities

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

That’s a dumb reason to not coach the team to the best of their abilities

Idk man, he joined the team when they had a legitimate shot, and left it when they became... whatever the **** this is supposed to be.

I might have half-assed it too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, of course they aren't annointing him. But Markstrom may have a short leash. Or he may rebound like Bob.

Yup most people thought Bob was done and Knight was their goalie