2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks. You can get a younger version of him without all the drama in Brunette and he would come cheaper to boot.

lol at compairing Brunette to coach Q




If Calgary gets Q he would be the best thing since 2004

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

He's also willing to cover up sexual assault of a player under him in the pursuit of winning. Do you really want that guy to be your coach?

I'd look at it from the perspective of did he learn his lesson and would that happen again going forward?

[Monahammer]

On the other side of the Cooley stuff, I wonder if someone with a high pick makes a play for him? Ours is too low, but imo if someone offers a top 10 in this year's draft for Cooley the coyotes might accept that. Detroit?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I'd look at it from the perspective of did he learn his lesson and would that happen again going forward?

That’s what I was about to say.

[Monahammer]

I'd prefer to just give mitch love the reigns. What if he's the next coach q?

[Monahammer]

Cooley-Larkin-Raymond would look nice.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I'd look at it from the perspective of did he learn his lesson and would that happen again going forward?

Will this situation happen again for him? probably not.
He did the wrong thing and then with his silence continued to do the wrong thing for 11 more years.
I doubt he learned a lesson once his involvement came out.

Just admit you two don't care and want a winner more than doing the right thing and avoiding him like the plague.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Will this situation happen again for him? probably not.
He did the wrong thing and then with his silence continued to do the wrong thing for 11 more years.
I doubt he learned a lesson once his involvement came out.

Just admit you two don't care and want a winner more than doing the right thing and avoiding him like the plague.

I'm against winning at all costs period. I completely hate that mentality in hockey, sports and in the corporate world.

That said, he's been caught, lost salary when he was fired/left, so there were some ramifications for what he did (or in this case, turning a blind eye).

So the question at this point is, do we want to punish him further? If so how long is enough? In the meantime, is another team going to pick him up? It's not about me.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I agree that Keller might not be the guy for this team right now given the cost to acquire him but he is certainly worth a look if there is a way to pull it off.

But I think the argument that the Flames should never trade a first round pick is shortsighted (acknowledging you didn’t say this but it was stated earlier). Young talent is young talent. Doesn’t matter how you acquire it. Whether it’s a first round pick, seventh round pick, college/European FA, or trade, doesn’t matter. I don’t think hoarding draft picks is a sure fire road to success and I don’t think Edwards sees it that way as well.

I'm not even saying hoard them, I'm just advocating for using the ones we've got.

In my view, firsts should only be on the table if you're a contending team with an open window for a championship (i.e top 4 in the conference), or a young up-and-coming team on the cusp. The first should also only be on the table if said window is wider than 1 year.

Spending firsts for this group, with an old core and several pending UFAs, would be reckless asset management.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I'm against winning at all costs period. I completely hate that mentality in hockey, sports and in the corporate world.

That said, he's been caught, lost salary when he was fired/left, so there were some ramifications for what he did (or in this case, turning a blind eye).

So the question at this point is, do we want to punish him further? If so how long is enough? In the meantime, is another team going to pick him up? It's not about me.

If not working in the NHL is his punishment, then yes, punish him further.
Maybe for the same length of time he kept quiet. I'm ok with it continuing. Plenty of other jobs he can work if he wants to. He's 64 and made what, about 40 million coaching? he's not on the bread line.

Even if the NHL decides he's been punished enough. I would think less of the team that hires him. Just like I thought less of the Oilers when they got Kane, which finally caused me to quit what fandom I had left for them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

lol at compairing Brunette to coach Q




If Calgary gets Q he would be the best thing since 2004

The dude covered up the sexual assualt of one of his players...he should never coach in the NHL again. Hardstop.

[FlamesAddiction]

Is Cooley's value about the same as Adam Fox's was just before the Flames traded him?

Drafted in different rounds, but at the time Fox was traded, it was known that he had huge potential to be a start player really soon, but the fact the Flames couldn't sign him drastically lowered his value. Based on the trade that happened, I'd peg it at about a 2nd rounder since that is also what Carolina got for him.

Or does the fact Cooley is a former 1st round pick, make him automatically more valuable even if Arizona can't sign him?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is Cooley's value about the same as Adam Fox's was just before the Flames traded him?

Drafted in different rounds, but at the time Fox was traded, it was known that he had huge potential to be a start player really soon, but the fact the Flames couldn't sign him drastically lowered his value. Based on the trade that happened, I'd peg it at about a 2nd rounder since that is also what Carolina got for him.

Or does the fact Cooley is a former 1st round pick, make him automatically more valuable even if Arizona can't sign him?

Way more valuable including because the chances he goes to free agency is very slim due to the financial cost that would cause him
He will sign with them eventually. Probably next summer

[devo22]

he probably just hopes they move until then, or at least get their act together somehow. Can't blame him.

from a pure hockey perspective, it's pretty crazy. You just never see prospects that age dominate at the college level like that and NOT turn pro.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We are close to competing, we just missed the playoffs with 93 points. We have a winger who scored 115 points last year, and is sure to rebound next year. I don’t think we can afford Quenneville anyway, but now is the perfect time to hire a winning coach. We’ve got some long ass contracts that aren’t going anywhere, and coach Q is good with young players.

Just missing the play-offs isn't close to competing. We have a roster that isn't close to good enough to win or even compete for the Cup. Quenneville doesn't change that. It should be a team that needs a coach to potentially put them over the top that takes the risk on the PR pushback they get. We are not that team.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The dude covered up the sexual assualt of one of his players...he should never coach in the NHL again. Hardstop.

The players covered it up even more and they all seem to be doing just fine in the nhl. Such a public lynching job on two of the biggest names just so that everyone else can say they were on the side of the angels.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Just missing the play-offs isn't close to competing. We have a roster that isn't close to good enough to win or even compete for the Cup. Quenneville doesn't change that. It should be a team that needs a coach to potentially put them over the top that takes the risk on the PR pushback they get. We are not that team.

You severely underrate what a coach like Quenneville can do for a team. Besides that, we don’t even know how good this team is, until we get a coach that doesn’t grossly mismanage the roster.

[The Cobra]

If the Oilers were thinking of signing Q, what would people be saying?

There is no reason why the Flames should even be considering it.

I doubt they are, the owners are better than that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Sandman

You severely underrate what a coach like Quenneville can do for a team. Besides that, we don’t even know how good this team is, until we get a coach that doesn’t grossly mismanage the roster.

I really don't think that I do underrate what a coach like he can do, if it were that easy he would have more Cups and mediocre teams with great coaches would win the Cup more often.

We had a coach last season that didn't grossly mismanage or even mismanage in any way the roster. This is not a contending level team, the talent isn't close to that level.

[FlamesAddiction]

Edit: wrong thread