05-18-2023, 09:02 AM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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The four candidates are Houston, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Sacramento. The problem is, Houston, Salt Lake City and Quebec City want expansion franchises, not relocated ones. Which begs the question, is the NHL really expanding? There is no league that has more than 32 teams, heck MLB and NBA can't even get past 30. The NFL last expanded to 32 team in 2002. The NFL is a league that could have 50 teams and even they are hesitant. What makes the NHL think it can dilute it's awful product even more?
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05-18-2023, 09:05 AM
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#302
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by cheevers
Manholes sounds like it would be an amazing gay club.
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There was one in Chicago but it closed.
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05-18-2023, 09:21 AM
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#303
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by activeStick
Problem is SF and Oakland have become real disasters since COVID, with terrible conditions everywhere and major corporations moving out and not in. Doesn't seem to be a place that would be ideal to place a sports franchise.
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lol what? Quit believing right wing propaganda. The highest valued NBA team plays in San Francisco and a top 10 NFL franchise plays in San Francisco. Its too close to San Jose - but they would move in there in a approximately a milli-second with all the money in that area.
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05-18-2023, 09:24 AM
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#304
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Originally Posted by cheevers
Manholes sounds like it would be an amazing gay club.
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I suspect it was another "swipe text and predictive word" miscues
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05-18-2023, 09:40 AM
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#305
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
The four candidates are Houston, Salt Lake City, Kansas City and Sacramento. The problem is, Houston, Salt Lake City and Quebec City want expansion franchises, not relocated ones. Which begs the question, is the NHL really expanding? There is no league that has more than 32 teams, heck MLB and NBA can't even get past 30. The NFL last expanded to 32 team in 2002. The NFL is a league that could have 50 teams and even they are hesitant. What makes the NHL think it can dilute it's awful product even more?
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I am pretty sure QC would take whatever they can get to be back in the game.
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05-18-2023, 09:45 AM
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#306
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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I'm tired of the expansion talk. I get that they'd happily take the absurd expansion fees, but enough is enough ... 32 teams with four 8 team divisions is perfect. The NFL has 32 as well, the NBA has 30. Not like the NHL is so special they need to be the ones to push beyond that.
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05-18-2023, 09:53 AM
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#307
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Well the NHL can support 7 teams in Canada, the other leagues cannot. That's why 36 teams isn't totally out of the question.
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05-18-2023, 10:28 AM
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#308
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Powerplay Quarterback
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The Coyotes are going nowhere. They're like Michael Myers, you think he's dead and he shows up again in another ####ty movie come October.
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05-18-2023, 10:43 AM
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#309
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Franchise Player
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Absolutely nothing magic about 32 teams. If there are billionaires willing to pony up, the league will keep growing.
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05-18-2023, 10:57 AM
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#310
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary/Peterborough
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
lol what? Quit believing right wing propaganda. The highest valued NBA team plays in San Francisco and a top 10 NFL franchise plays in San Francisco. Its too close to San Jose - but they would move in there in a approximately a milli-second with all the money in that area.
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Just have to correct you on the NFL statement....The 49ers play in Santa Clara which is basically San Jose.
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05-18-2023, 11:02 AM
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#311
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by jlemire
Just have to correct you on the NFL statement....The 49ers play in Santa Clara which is basically San Jose.
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Yep - all the Bay area though.
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05-18-2023, 12:10 PM
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#312
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by _Q_
Well the NHL can support 7 teams in Canada, the other leagues cannot. That's why 36 teams isn't totally out of the question.
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but can the US support 28-30 NHL teams? I don't think they can
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05-18-2023, 12:11 PM
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#313
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NorthVan
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Yep - all the Bay area though.
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San Francisco proper and Santa Clara might as well be on different planets from a market point of view.
I’ve been placing retail and fitness businesses in the Bay Area for the past 18 years, and believe that an NHL team in SF would be a colossal failure.
Maybe if the had an arena in Downtown Oakland, but even then, I think they’d struggle.
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05-18-2023, 12:16 PM
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#314
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
but can the US support 28-30 NHL teams? I don't think they can
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Why?
People don’t drive multiple hours to go watch a NHL game (well, I bet 99.9999% don’t anyway). People in Houston aren’t driving to Dallas, Salt Lake City driving to Denver, or Portland driving to Seattle. There’s a ton of markets to go exploit and make money from. I don’t really get the reticence to avoid expansion or growth personally (from an ownership perspective) other than the point that every market you expand into is one less market you can threaten taxpayers with relocation to fund new arenas.
Further, I think watering down the talent actually makes the product better (more mistakes leads to more exciting hockey).
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05-18-2023, 12:17 PM
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#315
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by metroneck
San Francisco proper and Santa Clara might as well be on different planets from a market point of view.
I’ve been placing retail and fitness businesses in the Bay Area for the past 18 years, and believe that an NHL team in SF would be a colossal failure.
Maybe if the had an arena in Downtown Oakland, but even then, I think they’d struggle.
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Can you expand on that? Why?
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05-18-2023, 12:34 PM
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#316
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
but can the US support 28-30 NHL teams? I don't think they can
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28 in the US, 8 in Canada? It doesn't seem too far fetched.
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05-18-2023, 12:39 PM
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#317
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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05-18-2023, 12:45 PM
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#318
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by _Q_
28 in the US, 8 in Canada? It doesn't seem too far fetched.
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i know im not the only one who thinks this is just way too many nhl teams
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05-18-2023, 12:53 PM
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#319
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: the dark side of Sesame Street
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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05-18-2023, 01:00 PM
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#320
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Wow, that would be an interesting location. The infrastructure around there is sketchy as is the neighborhood. Mesa has been doing a lot to improve the area, but those improvements would work against the site IMO. The ramps off US60 onto Alma School are short and quite restrictive. Southern Ave has been restricted and narrowed to make the area more approachable for foot traffic, so that's a traffic choke point. There is potential for an entertainment district around a proposed building as most of the businesses have gone toes up as the mall died and lots of pads are available on the north, east, and a few on the west of the property. Hotels are close, but nothing high end. Will be interested to see what Maricopa Community Colleges (Mesa Community College) would have to say, being on the edge of that location and them having interest in that property in the past. Some challenges in the site and some real ugly politics involved but could work.
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