Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658552353824428044

Some great questions from the legacy media.

[Yoho]

Won’t be long before NDP in second place.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658505361614053376

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Won’t be long before NDP in second place.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658505361614053376

I see that and wonder "Has anything really changed?"

Just my interpretation, but looks kind of like the Liberals lost six with four going to the NDP and two going to the Green. The Bloq and the PPC each lost one with both going to the Conservatives. Looks like country moved more to the left.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I see that and wonder "Has anything really changed?"

Just my interpretation, but looks kind of like the Liberals lost six with four going to the NDP and two going to the Green. The Bloq and the PPC each lost one with both going to the Conservatives. Looks like country moved more to the left.

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

Just like how the Liberals won the last election with 32.5%?

Was it clear their policies didn’t represent what the majority of Canada wanted?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

NDP shooting up in the polls every once again is a tradition like no other. Then barring something wacky happening in Quebec - they end up with a similar total most elections.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

NDP shooting up in the polls every once again is a tradition like no other. Then barring something wacky happening in Quebec - they end up with a similar total most elections.

Yeah, it's likely centre-left folks that are annoyed with the Liberals but would prefer them than the CPC. So electio. Day rolls around and they plug their nose and vote Red.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

That’s possible, and polls right now are a bit of a tricky predictor with an election still pretty far away.

I do wonder if, given all of the history and the mounting baggage, Trudeau is finally reaching the end of the road for him here. He already won an election with the lowest share of the popular vote ever (I believe, anyway—I may stand to be corrected on that). Does the math work if the Liberals bleed even 2% more of their vote share to the NDP?

But then I thought he would probably lose the last election too, so maybe I’m just bad at predictions.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

I never quite understood this majority of Canadians fabrication (usually perpetrated by NDP voters).

NDP policies are different to Liberal policies, which are also different to CPC policies. Yes you have alignment in certain policies, but if anything, Liberal policies tend to align closer to CPC policies than NDP, who want to pretty much destroy the Canadian economy if they could. Liberals may have shifted left overall in recent years, but are lightyears right of this stuff, which despite the climate change message, Liberals still understand we have a country to run.

https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...manifesto.html

This idea of 'everything not CPC is the other side' is far left wing fantasy not matched with reality. Most Canadians are left of center aligned with some policies favoring the NDP side and some favoring the CPC side, with Liberals being a sort of catch all.

I have had no problems voting Liberal in the past on a couple of occasions, but I would never ever ever vote for the federal NDP. There are many diehard Liberals who would also never go NDP.

If the majority of Canadians don't want CPC policies, the majority of Canadians also don't want Liberal policies, and the majority of Canadians also don't want NDP policies. Otherwise one party would have a 51% majority. That's how a representational government with multiple parties works.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I never quite understood this majority of Canadians fabrication (usually perpetrated by NDP voters).

NDP policies are different to Liberal policies, which are also different to CPC policies. Yes you have alignment in certain policies, but if anything, Liberal policies tend to align closer to CPC policies than NDP, who want to pretty much destroy the Canadian economy if they could. Liberals may have shifted left overall in recent years, but are lightyears right of this stuff, which despite the climate change message, Liberals still understand we have a country to run.

https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...manifesto.html

This idea of 'everything not CPC is the other side' is far left wing fantasy not matched with reality. Most Canadians are left of center aligned with some policies favoring the NDP side and some favoring the CPC side, with Liberals being a sort of catch all.

I have had no problems voting Liberal in the past on a couple of occasions, but I would never ever ever vote for the federal NDP. There are many diehard Liberals who would also never go NDP.

If the majority of Canadians don't want CPC policies, the majority of Canadians also don't want Liberal policies, and the majority of Canadians also don't want NDP policies. Otherwise one party would have a 51% majority. That's how a representational government with multiple parties works.

Well that is the Conservative issue right now.

In theory - if the Liberals alienate their voters - the departing voters should split between CPC and NDP depending on the lean of the voters. The Conservatives haven't been able to pull those Liberal votes their way.

They have a tougher road to convince those voters because they can actually win an election. The NDP in all likelihood cannot win so the odds are - if you move your vote to them - you aren't going to have to deal with whatever policy scares you. If you vote for the Conservatives - they might win so you do have to deal with whatever policy scares you.

A good chunk of NDP and Green or whoever voters are willing to vote Liberals to keep the Conservatives out. If the NDP was leading or looking like they might win - then you'd probably get some Liberals move to the Conservative side to keep them out, but there is low risk of that happening.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

Originally Posted by Yoho

Just like how the Liberals won the last election with 32.5%?

Was it clear their policies didn’t represent what the majority of Canada wanted?

Originally Posted by Firebot

I never quite understood this majority of Canadians fabrication (usually perpetrated by NDP voters).

In the last election 8.5 Million Canadians voted for either the NDP or Liberals compared to 5.7 million voting for the CPC. Even if you add in the 800k PPC votes it’s still less. These numbers have remained fairly consistent over the last 3 elections. How can you assess that as anything other than the policies of the CPC not repressing what the majority of Canadians want?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

In the last election 8.5 Million Canadians voted for either the NDP or Liberals compared to 5.7 million voting for the CPC. Even if you add in the 800k PPC votes it’s still less. These numbers have remained fairly consistent over the last 3 elections. How can you assess that as anything other than the policies of the CPC not repressing what the majority of Canadians want?

Pretty sure the Liberal and NDP are different parties with several significantly different policies, but keep on living the dream.

[JohnnyB]

Attack-based politics that get opposition voters to give up on their chosen party isn't necessarily a win in Canadian politics like it is down south. Voters in a multi-party system don't merely have a choice between switching to the attacker or staying home.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Pretty sure the Liberal and NDP are different parties with several significantly different policies, but keep on living the dream.

Yes, but those combinations of policies still much better align with the majority of what Canadians want than what CPC keeps trying to push.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CPC will be hoping that the vote is split enough to give them a majority. It’s clear that their policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians want.

Originally Posted by Firebot

Pretty sure the Liberal and NDP are different parties with several significantly different policies, but keep on living the dream.

Do yourself a favour Firebot, re-read my post without trying to extrapolate some sort of hidden message in it. If you feel that I’m wrong for stating that the
CPC’s policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians you’re free to explain why a party whose policies have remained fairly consistent over the past several election cycles and has not gotten 50% of the popular vote is representing what the majority of Canadians want. As eager as I’m sure you’ll be to bring up the liberals and the NDP in your response, I think it’s worth pointing out that they have nothing to do with what I stated.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Well that is the Conservative issue right now.

In theory - if the Liberals alienate their voters - the departing voters should split between CPC and NDP depending on the lean of the voters. The Conservatives haven't been able to pull those Liberal votes their way.

They have a tougher road to convince those voters because they can actually win an election. The NDP in all likelihood cannot win so the odds are - if you move your vote to them - you aren't going to have to deal with whatever policy scares you. If you vote for the Conservatives - they might win so you do have to deal with whatever policy scares you.

A good chunk of NDP and Green or whoever voters are willing to vote Liberals to keep the Conservatives out. If the NDP was leading or looking like they might win - then you'd probably get some Liberals move to the Conservative side to keep them out, but there is low risk of that happening.

You list the issues conservatives have right now, which is true. There are many people who simply won't vote conservative due to their acceptance of the freedumb dummies and the social right having a voice, and this includes traditional conservative voters who they alienated.

The statement "the majority of Canadians don't accept CPC policies" when no party has a majority of Canadians voting for it is a red herring

Yet for whatever reason, the Liberals and NDP are seemingly always merged into one, when Liberals policies as a whole really have more in common with the CPC's umbrella than the NDP. Some NDP policies are quite extreme. NDP exists since 1961 as its own party.

If they truly are the same, both parties could unite. But they won't, because they are very different.

A statement "Majority of Canadians reject social right activism" is a much more accurate statement, but that's not the message we are getting.

[Fuzz]

I think it's fair to say the majority of Canadians vote to the left of Conservatives, which tends to indicate the Conservatives are to the right of the majority of Canadians. If Conservatives want to capture those votes, they need to move left, not right. It's about as basic as you can describe it, yet the CPC can't seem to figure it out.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Do yourself a favour Firebot, re-read my post without trying to extrapolate some sort of hidden message in it. If you feel that I’m wrong for stating that the
CPC’s policies don’t represent what the majority of Canadians you’re free to explain why a party whose policies have remained fairly consistent over the past several election cycles and has not gotten 50% of the popular vote is representing what the majority of Canadians want. As eager as I’m sure you’ll be to bring up the liberals and the NDP in your response, I think it’s worth pointing out that they have nothing to do with what I stated.

Tell you what, you find me the last federal party that has gotten 50+% of the vote, and you can make that statement actually mean something.

Last party that has gotten over 50% of the popular vote is Mulroney's 1984 PC party.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think it's fair to say the majority of Canadians vote to the left of Conservatives, which tends to indicate the Conservatives are to the right of the majority of Canadians. If Conservatives want to capture those votes, they need to move left, not right. It's about as basic as you can describe it, yet the CPC can't seem to figure it out.

I fully agree with that statement.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If Conservatives want to capture those votes, they need to move left, not right.

Max Bernier says: "Move left? Suckers, I'm moving even more to the right!"

just days after announcing he would run for a federal seat in a rural Manitoba riding, Maxime Bernier said one of the first things he will do if elected to Parliament is “reopen the debate” on abortion laws in Canada to ban abortions for pregnancies beyond 24 weeks.

“Regulating abortion is not a fringe or radical position, even though it as portrayed as such by pro-abortion fanatics,” People’s Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier claimed during a Wednesday media conference in the city of Winkler.

“We’re not afraid. The PPC welcomes a debate on abortion.”

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...es/ar-AA1bko9e

Tell me you don't want to win an election without telling me. Like holy sh-t, read the room.