WCSF: Vegas Golden Knights [PAC1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] Vegas wins 4-2

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

So...does nobody think that one of McDrai asks for a trade?

Even they can't be stupid enough to think they're "close". (Or are they? That stupid. Not close LOL.)

if they arent sure they are close, the team will show them the panel discussing how great they are constantly and that will sway him. I used to like to listen to Hrudey but his Oilers love and bias is sooooo bad.

[united]

Complete video game ####, but I would love for a team with the eligible draft capital like the Ducks or Coyotes or even the Hurricanes to screw with the Oilers with concurrent leveraged offer sheets.

Bouchard AAV of $6.30 million (1st + 3rd)
McLeod AAV of $2.11 million (2nd)

Further cripples their cap situation or costs then one or their top young players in the McDavid window for underwhelming return.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sigh. There's no STATE tax. You are still getting dinged on federal income/payroll taxes.

I've been told total tax burden is a more reasonable measure for high earners to consider. Tennessee (6.22%), Florida (6.33%), Missouri (7.11%), Michigan (7.4%), North Carolina (7.6%), Arizona (7.62%), Nevada (7.69%), Pennsylvania (7.95%), Virginia (8.23%), Washinton (8.24%), Massachusetts (8.48%), Ohio (8.65%), California (8.89%), Minnesota (9.41%), Maryland (9.44%), New Jersey (9.76%), and New York ($12.47%) are the NHL states of consequence. The top 1% are usually paying slightly below the state tax burden for where they live. The advantage isn't as big as some will claim it to be unless you think New York is the norm.

Well yeah you still pay taxes, but it's a lesser tax burden and I'm sure agents know all this stuff. These younger players are a bit smarter and better advised on these matters now too. I do think for players about to earn a max deal, they will start to look getting it in a place where they can keep more of that money.

In the NBA players hold a lot of influence over where they play. The NHL is way behind, but it will follow in those Footsteps eventually. So the players like Matthews, McDavid, Draisaitl who are all in line for max or close to max deals will start considering this more and more as time marches on. Still lots of space on those lower burden places with nicer weather for guys like McDavid and Draisaitl.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

In the NBA players hold a lot of influence over where they play.

I think they actually have less influence. They have a much more restrictive system for no-trade clauses. No-trade and no-movement clauses in the NHL are more liberal than in any of the other leagues and have screwed over a lot of fanchises.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markdee...h=148409d2771b

...currently, there exists only one in the NBA, belonging to Bradley Beal of the Washington Wizards. And there have never been much more than that at any snapshot in time since 1980.

In large part, this is due to the particulars of the circumstances that must come about before a player can be offered one. To be eligible for a no-trade clause in a new contract, a player must have eight years of NBA experience, and have spent at least part of at least four of those seasons with the team he is signing the new contract with.

It's not like in the NHL where NT/NMCs have pretty much become part of the free agent offer template.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

One way or another the Oilers will have to shed a piece or two that help them now in order to get cap compliant, while also signing a few league minimum types, intensifying the derpth situation.

They'll probably need mcdrai to elevate their play even higher just to match this season's outcome because the peripheral roster will undoubtedly get worse this offseason.

[dirk diggler]

Amazes me that a team with the brilliance of Woodcroft and Gulatzan can fail.

[CroFlames]

Jarome Iginla took his team to the Cup Finals at age 26, just saying.

[bc-chris]

how do you lodge a complaint with sportsnet??


i was GUARANTEED a game 7 tonight but the guide just shows jays vs yankees!!!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jarome Iginla took his team to the Cup Finals at age 26, just saying.

And he didn't have a Draisaitl riding shotgun.

Really those two should've been able to do it once or twice already with a team of beer leaguers around them.

I think what it comes down to is their refusal to grow their games and commit in all areas of the ice.

Still chronically minus players, even on nights when they do produce.

I chalk a lot of that up to edmonton's culture though. They've never been about defense and preaching the right things from their stars. They think if they can just score enough goals that everything else will take care of itself.

Woodcroft tries, and that's why he's gotten the best results. But he still won't demand changes from his two stars. No one in Edmonton dares to. And that's what will hold them back.

That and a subpar blue line and porous goaltending, of course.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Amazes me that a team with the brilliance of Woodcroft and Gulatzan can fail.

I think that Woodcroft was exposed as a bit of a dullard in the playoffs. The Oilers didn't look all that great against the Kings, and except for the powerplay looked positively stinky against the Knights.

He has one of the easiest coaching gigs in the NHL, he leans on Draisaitl and McSavior who can cover all the warts that the Oilers have. But McDavid was ordinary 5v5 in the playoffs, and Draisaitl ran out of gas like he did against the Avs last year because he over plays them.

The Oilers stank 5v5 this year and weren't great last year. He can't get a handle on that.

His defensive coverage looks like a bunch of headless chickens bobbing around the ice with Nurse as the king of the Star Fish dive. He didn't fix that.

In the last round he insisted on matching Draisaitl and Yamamoto against the Eichel line and got his lunch fed to him.

He completely mishandled their goaltending.

GG is probably a better coach them him, I mean he's the brains behind their give the puck to Conna strategy on the power play.

Puglsy is probably one bad season (next year) from bagging videos at Block Buster Video while pushing the 2 for 1 nibs deal.

Remember the Oilers were one unimaginable Draisaitl McDavid driven hot streak from missing the playoffs.

[indes]

One of the best takes I saw about the Pietrangelo slash was;

"Why the #### is Draisaitl even on the ice? They're up by 3 with 2 minutes left and Woodcraft has his stars out trying to pad stats. Who does that?"

Guy is just a complete Muppet.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by indes

One of the best takes I saw about the Pietrangelo slash was;

"Why the #### is Draisaitl even on the ice? They're up by 3 with 2 minutes left and Woodcraft has his stars out trying to pad stats. Who does that?"

Guy is just a complete Muppet.

Woodcroft truly understands the principles and values of the Oilers organization.

Stats always, at every moment and in every situation, matter.

Even in playoffs in the dying minutes of a sure victory when they don't matter, they matter.

[Enoch Root]

And for the rest of the series, after that slash, Draisaitl had 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, and was a sparkling -5

Why the #### was he on the ice in that situation, indeed?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And for the rest of the series, after that slash, Draisaitl had 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, and was a sparkling -5

Why the #### was he on the ice in that situation, indeed?

I've been told beavers don't have large brains

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And for the rest of the series, after that slash, Draisaitl had 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points, and was a sparkling -5

Why the #### was he on the ice in that situation, indeed?

Probably in hopes of cashing in on an empty net goal. That organization and their top players are all about personal stats.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by indes

One of the best takes I saw about the Pietrangelo slash was;

"Why the #### is Draisaitl even on the ice? They're up by 3 with 2 minutes left and Woodcraft has his stars out trying to pad stats. Who does that?"

Guy is just a complete Muppet.

Any coach would've just play the 3rd and 4th lines, dump it in and clog up the neutral zone then dump it in and change. It shouldn't be that difficult to burn 2 minutes off the clock.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Having Oilers near/at the top of personal stats rankings is by extension a vanity project for the team.

You can bet they care about it even more than McDavid or Draisaitl do. Woody is probably just carrying out marching orders from the greasy lamb chops that watch over him.

The funny part is I think that as long as that's the priority, they'll hold themselves back from ever reaching the ultimate prize, because of how much they lean on those two guys and ride them into the ground, even in inappropriate situations.

Just look how burnt out Draisaitl was at the end.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well yeah you still pay taxes, but it's a lesser tax burden and I'm sure agents know all this stuff. These younger players are a bit smarter and better advised on these matters now too. I do think for players about to earn a max deal, they will start to look getting it in a place where they can keep more of that money.

In the NBA players hold a lot of influence over where they play. The NHL is way behind, but it will follow in those Footsteps eventually. So the players like Matthews, McDavid, Draisaitl who are all in line for max or close to max deals will start considering this more and more as time marches on. Still lots of space on those lower burden places with nicer weather for guys like McDavid and Draisaitl.

The tax burdens aren't that different though. First, you have the "jock tax" that all these guys pay. Basically if you play so many games in a state, there's a tax for those earnings. Then you have other levers like property tax, federal tax and that can even things out. And finally you have all kinds of tax planning and arrangements you can undertake to spread that tax burden out. For example, in Canada you can use things like RCAs (Retirement Compensation Arrangements).

So, without getting into the details here, you can rest assured that a guy like Huberdeau is paying almost the exact same playing here in Calgary as he would in Florida. And, if he's not, he should give me a call, because he's leaving a pile of money on the table.

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jarome Iginla took his team to the Cup Finals at age 26, just saying.

On a lower budget less talented team too

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by sharkov

On a lower budget less talented team too

Not too defend the "building something special" Oilers but the 2004 team did have a great goalie. however the failure of McHobo makes me feel good.