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Old 05-13-2023, 10:19 AM   #1081
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That is not remotely what a Sutter successful team composes of. Austin Matthews would score 12 goals playing for Sutter. Sutter hockey is perimeter low danger shots with big hulks and physical players in front of the net.
Gaudreau and Matt T score over 100 points in a Sutter system but Matthews would score 12 goals. yeah ok
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They bowed out against a Panthers team playing great hockey, but they had their moments. Mathews was huge in the first round and probably saved the series for them by leading the comeback for them in a big game. Tavares had a series-winning OT goal. They didn’t get it done in round two, but could easily be back with another strong season next year.

I don't see their big contracts as that bad. For a sad comparison to Tavares, Huberdeau is getting paid 500k less and is signed for six years more. Tavares' contract ends at 34. Huberdeau will be going until he's 38. Would anyone turn that down in a one-for-one trade?
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There's nothing particularly wrong with Matthews and Marners' contracts, the issue is whether they'll re-sign and for what money. It's getting close to that time.
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Old 05-13-2023, 10:43 AM   #1084
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I come to bury Ceasar not to praise them.

When you spend nearly half of your cap on big offense players and they fall apart and produce very little in the second round. Its time for a change.

Seeing the leafs go out like this after their fans saw their curse lifted on first round exits only to stumble and fall doesn't give me any pleasure.

Wait what am I saying.

That's a lie.

With Dubas' at the end of his contract, and the AGM and Shanny at the end of their contract. This era of the leafs is over.

Keefe isn't coming back, not after the dive the leaf's took in the second round and how bad they looked defending.

They could bring the team back next year, they really could, they'd be at zero cap space, but it'd be easy. But the year after that armaggedon starts.

Its time to clear the decks for a new GM with a new vision.

All I know is, that core doesn't function its time to change it up.


But I'm happy that the Leafs are out, now can they please take the stank of the Oilers with them.

Goodbye, Kyle Dubas
Though I never knew you at all
You had the excel skills yourself
While those around you won
They crawled out of the woodwork
And they whispered into your brain
They set you on the treadmill
And they made you spazz like a child.


And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a burning Leaf in the wind
Never knowing how to win
When the payoffs set in
And I wouldn't want to be you
But You were just a stupid kid
Your career prospects burned out long before
The playoffs ever did
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Old 05-13-2023, 11:25 AM   #1086
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They bowed out against a Panthers team playing great hockey, but they had their moments. Mathews was huge in the first round and probably saved the series for them by leading the comeback for them in a big game. Tavares had a series-winning OT goal. They didn’t get it done in round two, but could easily be back with another strong season next year.

I don't see their big contracts as that bad. For a sad comparison to Tavares, Huberdeau is getting paid 500k less and is signed for six years more. Tavares' contract ends at 34. Huberdeau will be going until he's 38. Would anyone turn that down in a one-for-one trade?

Moments don't matter in the playoffs.

The whole expected to win charts after games mean zero.

For a team with that core to again dramatically fail, that core just pretty well created mass unemployment in the Leaf's management office.


They could return with the same core next year with no cap space, but that dog don't hunt.


The core's a loser.
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Leafs fans wanted the Panthers and they got them. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 05-13-2023, 02:35 PM   #1089
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They bowed out against a Panthers team playing great hockey, but they had their moments. Mathews was huge in the first round and probably saved the series for them by leading the comeback for them in a big game. Tavares had a series-winning OT goal. They didn’t get it done in round two, but could easily be back with another strong season next year.

I don't see their big contracts as that bad. For a sad comparison to Tavares, Huberdeau is getting paid 500k less and is signed for six years more. Tavares' contract ends at 34. Huberdeau will be going until he's 38. Would anyone turn that down in a one-for-one trade?
The problem the Leafs will have, as every good team has is that having multiple good seasons means keeping the team together will be hard enough let alone improving.

The only "big" contract they lose is Kerfoot but they also lose O'Reilly, Bunting, Accarri, Schenn, Kampf and have Samsonov as an RFA who will get more then the 1.8 million he made last season. Those aren't big pieces but what are the chances they bring in better or even equal players for equal money to what they made last season?

You are right none of their big contracts are boat anchors but it means they have to get the low contract bottom 6/depth guys right because they don't have the flexibility to overpay for a need with the money spent on Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Matthews.

I don't think they will fall off and suck but it is getting tough to see how they make improvements to get past the repeated play-offs failures they have had.
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The problem the Leafs will have, as every good team has is that having multiple good seasons means keeping the team together will be hard enough let alone improving.

The only "big" contract they lose is Kerfoot but they also lose O'Reilly, Bunting, Accarri, Schenn, Kampf and have Samsonov as an RFA who will get more then the 1.8 million he made last season. Those aren't big pieces but what are the chances they bring in better or even equal players for equal money to what they made last season?

You are right none of their big contracts are boat anchors but it means they have to get the low contract bottom 6/depth guys right because they don't have the flexibility to overpay for a need with the money spent on Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Matthews.

I don't think they will fall off and suck but it is getting tough to see how they make improvements to get past the repeated play-offs failures they have had.
The way Seattle built their team is kind of the opposite of the Leafs. Their best players are better than few, but their 13th-18th best are probably the best in the league.
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The way Seattle built their team is kind of the opposite of the Leafs. Their best players are better than few, but their 13th-18th best are probably the best in the league.
Yeah but they will need something better at the top of the lineup to get much farther than they have. Maybe even to hold position.
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Old 05-14-2023, 06:06 AM   #1092
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Old 05-14-2023, 07:47 AM   #1094
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I would say your top 3 players not really producing the entire series is the definition of 'going down without a fight.'

Toronto woke up today with the realization that they have $30 million tied up in 3 players that can't produce at a higher level come playoff time.

Not sure how they'll solve that problem.
(point) production isn't independant of goaltending at the other end though.

Did they produce chances?
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(point) production isn't independant of goaltending at the other end though.

Did they produce chances?

What horrible luck for the Leafs to run into hot goaltending every single playoffs. One of these years they may get a break!
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Ok, well they won’t riot. They’ll write an angry tweet.
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Gaudreau and Matt T score over 100 points in a Sutter system but Matthews would score 12 goals. yeah ok
That whole line never played Sutter hockey for one shift, not one. Afterwards two of those players left. You can't use that line as an example when they didn't listen to D Sutter.
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