Really I'm not sure why he would want the Penguins job. Their current position looks like the Flames will be in about four years and trying to reload and keep the Flames competitive year after year appeared to wear him down. I get that there are only 32 jobs but I don't consider that job overly desirable long term from my vantage point. If the Leafs clean house then I could see that being a position of interest.
I dunno, a couple years of all chips in and then the freedom to do a rebuild that will be completely expected by the fanbase/etc sounds kinda enticing...
Just throwing an idea out there, but do we know for sure that the organization isn't acting on the request of Treliving himself?
If we believe that the guy is burnt out and just wants to chill on a beach in the Bahamas for a while, he may not even want to be fielding those calls and the Flames are doing him a solid.
Do we even know if Treliving has been approached to take another job or anyone has contacted the Flames to talk to him and it was declined.
Looks like a vague statement made to create a story for a non story at this point.
Frank is shameful looking for hits on his website that is probably on its deathbed.
No, we don't know. I don't think Seravalli knows either because we all know he wouldn't keep something like that to himself.
I think the implication he is making is that other teams just aren't asking because the Flames have preemptively said no. I don't believe for a second that if another team thought that Treliving was their guy, that they wouldn't ask for permission when the worst they can say is no. As if another team would be afraid of rejection, or wasting the time it takes to make a phone call or send an email. That's just dumb.
It might be wise to let Treliving interview for jobs, then ask for compensation if they actually want him to start work. I don't know what mechanisms are in place to actually stop someone in Treliving's position from silently working with another team though, and then officially joining on July 1st. I know there are probably legal and ethical issues, but how would you actually stop it or catch someone doing it?
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I dunno, a couple years of all chips in and then the freedom to do a rebuild that will be completely expected by the fanbase/etc sounds kinda enticing...
Imagine, he'll be the GM traded Crosby and Malkin.
No, we don't know. I don't think Seravalli knows either because we all know he wouldn't keep something like that to himself.
I think the implication he is making is that other teams just aren't asking because the Flames have preemptively said no. I don't believe for a second that if another team thought that Treliving was their guy, that they wouldn't ask for permission when the worst they can say is no. As if another team would be afraid of rejection, or wasting the time it takes to make a phone call or send an email. That's just dumb.
It might be wise to let Treliving interview for jobs, then ask for compensation if they actually want him to start work. I don't know what mechanisms are in place to actually stop someone in Treliving's position from silently working with another team though, and then officially joining on July 1st. I know there are probably legal and ethical issues, but how would you actually stop it or catch someone doing it?
Yeah I always thought the not allowed to participate at the draft stuff was dumb anyway as well we know they participate unless you are physically locking them away until the draft is over.
I don't think BT needs another GM job unless he really wants it.
never disagreed with Pinder and Seravalli more. I think their take on this is pretty dumb. I guess the Flames should just let our GM who quit take a new job in Pittsburgh who picks 2 spots before us at the draft without a second thought.
So call it how it is.....Treliving quit / chose not to come back to the team, and now Pinder thinks the right thing to do is free him up to help another team using all his knowledge gained being the GM in Calgary to help another team before his term is up.........? (while we have to deal with go into the draft with a GM who isn't fully ready to go).
This would be an ok take, if the Flames fired him (or refused to offer him a contract) or if he was a promo candidate and we were standing in the way of career progression because he was being offered a job we wouldn't give him.
This would be the equivalent of ripping on the Flames for not loaning the Panthers Tkachuk last year for the playoffs instead of us using him in our own playoff games if he told us he wasn't going to return (I realize that's not actually possible in the NHL). Baring some other information, seems like a really bad take from Pinder.
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No, he couldn’t. He’s under contract until June 30, 2023.
Sure he could.
If he had quit then he's no longer under any contract. The Flames are no longer obligated to pay him and he's free to pursue his career.
Thing is...if you quit, you dont continue to get paid. He didnt quit, he was 'relieved of his duties' so the Flames are still paying him, ergo he is still their employee he just doesnt have any duties.
People think this looks bad on the Flames, but the fact of the matter is that Treliving could quit at any moment. The Flames stop paying him and he is essentially a Free Agent.
He's taking a 'Paid Vacation' right now.
Yes, the Flames are preventing him from exploring other work for the moment while they're paying him. Because while 'mutual' is the term I'm guessing the employment switch was actually more acrimonious.
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So it's okay for you to speculate on what Maloney knew, but then said Maloney shouldn't speculate on what Treliving was thinking after having a conversation about what he was thinking when he elected not to re-sign?
WTF???
what are you talking about
I never said Maloney shouldn't speculate? I simply said he did?
I'm a fan on a message board and Maloney is the PoHO of an NHL team?
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Treliving or Sutter. The Flames have created a culture of negativity and poor player relations and it was both of them, not just Darryl. I have a son in hockey and he's spoken to three player agents over the last six months and all three of them said that they would not put any of their clients with the Flames. It explains why no college free agents came here this year. We have some serious work to do to make this a place that players want to play and again, from first hand knowledge, Tree was part of that problem as well. So Pinder is making a victim of one of the people that caused the very problem he's talking about.
If he had quit then he's no longer under any contract. The Flames are no longer obligated to pay him and he's free to pursue his career.
Thing is...if you quit, you dont continue to get paid. He didnt quit, he was 'relieved of his duties' so the Flames are still paying him, ergo he is still their employee he just doesnt have any duties.
People think this looks bad on the Flames, but the fact of the matter is that Treliving could quit at any moment. The Flames stop paying him and he is essentially a Free Agent.
He's taking a 'Paid Vacation' right now.
Yes, the Flames are preventing him from exploring other work for the moment while they're paying him. Because while 'mutual' is the term I'm guessing the employment switch was actually more acrimonious.
The issue you miss is that the contract is binding and you cannot quit unless the other party agrees to it. As mentioned it makes no sense for the Flames to release him from this contract until the end of June due to the draft.
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I think the biggest and best news is that Maloney isn't some dinosaur and is actually in tune with what is happening in hockey.
Forget this Treliving fake news, it finally looks like the organization is about to evolve into the modern game with young players and a focus on skill and playing the right way.
Excited to see the new direction with the GM and Coach and product on the ice next season.
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I don't have a lot of sympathy for Treliving or Sutter. The Flames have created a culture of negativity and poor player relations and it was both of them, not just Darryl. I have a son in hockey and he's spoken to three player agents over the last six months and all three of them said that they would not put any of their clients with the Flames. It explains why no college free agents came here this year. We have some serious work to do to make this a place that players want to play and again, from first hand knowledge, Tree was part of that problem as well. So Pinder is making a victim of one of the people that caused the very problem he's talking about.
Umm, wut? How many [presumably undrafted?] college free agents signed with any team this year? How many will end up with more than a cup of coffee?
If he had quit then he's no longer under any contract. The Flames are no longer obligated to pay him and he's free to pursue his career.
Thing is...if you quit, you dont continue to get paid. He didnt quit, he was 'relieved of his duties' so the Flames are still paying him, ergo he is still their employee he just doesnt have any duties.
People think this looks bad on the Flames, but the fact of the matter is that Treliving could quit at any moment. The Flames stop paying him and he is essentially a Free Agent.
He's taking a 'Paid Vacation' right now.
Yes, the Flames are preventing him from exploring other work for the moment while they're paying him. Because while 'mutual' is the term I'm guessing the employment switch was actually more acrimonious.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
If he "quit" in your parlance, he is in breach of contract, and cannot simply do what he wants.
If you decide to quit, AND the employer permits you to do so, then you can do what you want, but it is not unilateral, which was your initial suggestion.
It has to be mutual in order for the quitter to "do what he wants".
This is due to it being a fixed term contract.
Arguably, the employee could quit, the employer could state he breached his contract by no longer providing the services contracted for and stop paying him, AND restrict him from working for a competitor during the remaining term of the contract.
The issue you miss is that the contract is binding and you cannot quit unless the other party agrees to it. As mentioned it makes no sense for the Flames to release him from this contract until the end of June due to the draft.
I don't know why this is a hard concept for so many.
His contract was NOT terminated. He is under contract with the Flames. He and/or the Flames decided its the end of the line, so he is no longer acting as the GM. He's just riding out the last three months with pay. Since he's still under contract, he, of course, can't be interviewing for another GM job. It is unclear if he even wants to, but it's likely he doesn't.
If, by some chance, there is a team that desperately wanted him NOW instead of waiting till July 1, they could easily approach the Flames and negotiate an out.
The likeliest scenario is other teams are interested in speaking with Brad, but are in no rush and so will wait till July 1. Brad, very likely, is also probably OK with waiting till July 1 and will take some rest until then. Pittsburgh are the only ones who may be motivated to move quickly on a guy, but even still, Brad wouldn't be permitted to run their draft for obvious reasons.
Neither the Flames, Brad, the NHL are doing anything wrong here.
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If he "quit" in your parlance, he is in breach of contract, and cannot simply do what he wants.
If you decide to quit, AND the employer permits you to do so, then you can do what you want, but it is not unilateral, which was your initial suggestion.
It has to be mutual in order for the quitter to "do what he wants".
This is due to it being a fixed term contract.
Arguably, the employee could quit, the employer could state he breached his contract by no longer providing the services contracted for and stop paying him, AND restrict him from working for a competitor during the remaining term of the contract.
No...actually, respectfully I think you are incorrect, and maybe a lawyer should weigh in, but I believe the term of the contract is irrelevant other than being the point at which an employer can control an employee.
If Treliving quits, he probably has some sort of 'Non-Compete Clause' that might be enforceable up to the Draft? Or to some reasonable point. In exchange for some compensation?
But I am guessing there.
If an employee quits however, they stop getting paid by their employer and then at that point owe that employer no more consideration and vice versa.
Thats why I said that he's on 'Paid Vacation.'
Anyways, not trying to 'call you out' or anything, thats just my layman's (not a lawyer) understanding of the situation.
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Umm, wut? How many [presumably undrafted?] college free agents signed with any team this year? How many will end up with more than a cup of coffee?
You don’t believe that adding organizational depth with guys like Walker Duher has any value? And it obviously applies to more than college free agents. Bizarre response.
Why do we care? Treliving moved on. I don't care who he interviews with or when he's allowed to do it. I don't care if he finds a job right away or can't get hired anywhere. He's not our problem anymore. God speed, Brad.
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