Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I have no idea what curves2000 is on about. There is no inordinate amount of crime in Alberta, this keeps getting trotted out as some boogeyman; it’s just false. We’ve hashed that out already with real police stats. Being scared because you saw a homeless people doesn’t mean a crime is being committed.

Not sure why they also scapegoated marginalized groups as the cause of this crime. Where have we seen that before?

Crime, social disorder, public transit safety concerns is up across the board in Canada. There is virtually unanimous support and concerns with regards to this.
That's why we have police chiefs, big city mayors, premiers and the federal government looking at implementing policies, reviewing legislation.

A quote from our mayor in Calgary on her pushing for more enforcement downtown " I would say that we're at a point in time where people are feeling unsafe moving from destination to destination. It's more than just feeling uncomfortable"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cing-1.6807025

Premiers united in calling for bail reform and increased police enforcement

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/p...-eby-1.6366173

Crime surging in big cities and in politically important cities for the federal government. Looking at bail reform

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...nges-1.6775341

Alberta NDP looking at more cops and support workers for fighting crime in Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/news/9628321/a...me-if-elected/


Unless everybody across the board in Canada is flat out nuts or these media organizations are spewing fake news, I think the concerns of the public are genuine, probably why people across the board in power or looking to lead are looking at improvements.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Crime, social disorder, public transit safety concerns is up across the board in Canada. There is virtually unanimous support and concerns with regards to this.
That's why we have police chiefs, big city mayors, premiers and the federal government looking at implementing policies, reviewing legislation.

A quote from our mayor in Calgary on her pushing for more enforcement downtown " I would say that we're at a point in time where people are feeling unsafe moving from destination to destination. It's more than just feeling uncomfortable"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cing-1.6807025

Premiers united in calling for bail reform and increased police enforcement

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/p...-eby-1.6366173

Crime surging in big cities and in politically important cities for the federal government. Looking at bail reform

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...nges-1.6775341

Alberta NDP looking at more cops and support workers for fighting crime in Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/news/9628321/a...me-if-elected/


Unless everybody across the board in Canada is flat out nuts or these media organizations are spewing fake news, I think the concerns of the public are genuine, probably why people across the board in power or looking to lead are looking at improvements.

So you post about people being concerned voting for the NDP because of common sense issues like crime, then proceed to post an article that says the NDP are looking at hiring more cops and support workers?


Ok.. Crystal clear.

[PsYcNeT]

This is part of the UCP Mail-Out Messaging based on what I pulled out of the community box today.

"CRIME! BE AFRAID OF 'THEM'! ONLY SMITH AND CO CAN KEEP YOU SAFE! NOTLEY WANTS TO MOVE IN ADDICTS NEXT DOOR AND SELL YOUR KIDS!"

[DoubleF]

This thread is depressing while sober. It super easy to scroll through post and ignore it while drunk.

[#-3]

I feel like there is a contingent of Albertans that would vote for Mao Zedong or Friedrich Engels if they for a party called the Socialist Conservatives, because they want to protect our province from dem der commie bastards and make sure Alberta remains a conservative place.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Crime, social disorder, public transit safety concerns is up across the board in Canada. There is virtually unanimous support and concerns with regards to this.
That's why we have police chiefs, big city mayors, premiers and the federal government looking at implementing policies, reviewing legislation.

A quote from our mayor in Calgary on her pushing for more enforcement downtown " I would say that we're at a point in time where people are feeling unsafe moving from destination to destination. It's more than just feeling uncomfortable"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cing-1.6807025

Premiers united in calling for bail reform and increased police enforcement

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/p...-eby-1.6366173

Crime surging in big cities and in politically important cities for the federal government. Looking at bail reform

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...nges-1.6775341

Alberta NDP looking at more cops and support workers for fighting crime in Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/news/9628321/a...me-if-elected/


Unless everybody across the board in Canada is flat out nuts or these media organizations are spewing fake news, I think the concerns of the public are genuine, probably why people across the board in power or looking to lead are looking at improvements.

I don’t think you’re going to find any feel-good news stories about crime in the media.

This needs to be backed up though. If going by Alberta’s numbers, albeit a little dated, this suggests crime is dropping.

https://open.alberta.ca/publications...ice-statistics

Still not entirely sure what your rant again marginalized groups was for.

[Torture]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656108557266481152

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This thread has degenerated into an echo chamber for #######s. I know politics bring out the worst in people but I just have to shake my head sometimes. It’s all good though. I still love you guys but man, ha ha ha.

It must really suck to have Druh Farrell live rent free in your head.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I have no idea what curves2000 is on about. There is no inordinate amount of crime in Alberta, this keeps getting trotted out as some boogeyman; it’s just false. We’ve hashed that out already with real police stats. Being scared because you saw a homeless people doesn’t mean a crime is being committed.

Not sure why they also scapegoated marginalized groups as the cause of this crime. Where have we seen that before?

It's emotion over facts.

In the words of their own: #### your feelings!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This thread has degenerated into an echo chamber for #######s. I know politics bring out the worst in people but I just have to shake my head sometimes. It’s all good though. I still love you guys but man, ha ha ha.

Have you considered whether providing counter points rather than calling people you disagree with #######s might be a better solution to your dilemma?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This is part of the UCP Mail-Out Messaging based on what I pulled out of the community box today.

"CRIME! BE AFRAID OF 'THEM'! ONLY SMITH AND CO CAN KEEP YOU SAFE! NOTLEY WANTS TO MOVE IN ADDICTS NEXT DOOR AND SELL YOUR KIDS!"

Reminds me of the Simpsons "Proposition 24" episode. Lousy politicians trying to create problems and distract by scaring people into twisted issues.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Have you considered whether providing counter points rather than calling people you disagree with #######s might be a better solution to your dilemma?

hey hey hey.. chill. He loves you.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Crime, social disorder, public transit safety concerns is up across the board in Canada. There is virtually unanimous support and concerns with regards to this.
That's why we have police chiefs, big city mayors, premiers and the federal government looking at implementing policies, reviewing legislation.

A quote from our mayor in Calgary on her pushing for more enforcement downtown " I would say that we're at a point in time where people are feeling unsafe moving from destination to destination. It's more than just feeling uncomfortable"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cing-1.6807025

Premiers united in calling for bail reform and increased police enforcement

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/p...-eby-1.6366173

Crime surging in big cities and in politically important cities for the federal government. Looking at bail reform

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...nges-1.6775341

Alberta NDP looking at more cops and support workers for fighting crime in Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/news/9628321/a...me-if-elected/


Unless everybody across the board in Canada is flat out nuts or these media organizations are spewing fake news, I think the concerns of the public are genuine, probably why people across the board in power or looking to lead are looking at improvements.

Uhm...

A new poll suggests Calgarian perception of crime is outpacing actual crime in the city....

But Calgary Police Service (CPS) numbers paint a different picture. Overall rates are slightly ticking upwards, but not at a level that warrants concern, according to one justice studies professor.

"Most crimes in Calgary have either dropped or stayed the same," Doug King told CTV News. "Looking at the latest rates, Calgary remains a very safe city in terms of where we are now versus where we were 10, 15 or 20 years ago."


The latest CPS stats from the third quarter of 2022 show five year increases of 5.5 and 1.2 per cent in the city's violent crimes and property crimes, respectively.


Commercial robberies and discharging of a firearm with intent are ticking up, but things like home invasions and aggravated assault are down.
King calls those normal changes.

"Nothing (in the CPS report) raised my eyebrows," he said.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-c...tion-1.6278887

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I actually don't think the UCP will improve things that your discussing to the degree a lot of us want truthfully.

A trend I have noticed with some people as I mentioned is uneasy with the UCP, unhappy with their overall performance but concerns with some of the aspects of some left policies, wokeism, social justice issues etc. A lot of people are also very comfortable with the NDP now more than ever.

But this is all BS. What even is "wokeism"? How will it negatively affect my life? How will it negatively affect a UCP voter's life? What policies that the NDP will enact fall under wokeism?

To me it is a buzz word people want to use to cover the reality that they have issues with gender rights, LBTQ+ (sorry if I used the wrong acronym) rights, Trans rights etc. They don't want to say it because they know they will get roasted (justifiably) so they use wokeism as though it has some sort of meaning which it doesn't.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Torture

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656108557266481152

Can we afford Danielle Smith?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's not smaller in rural ridings. In 2019 they divided all the ridings to about almost 40,000 eligible voters and the rural ridings in fact get bigger turnout 60%+ compered who some Calgary riding that barely reached 50%.

If Alberta had ridings based on population, Calgary and Edmonton CMA’s would have 3 additional seats each and the rural areas would have 6 fewer seats. Rural Alberta is way over represented at the Legislature.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Can we afford Danielle Smith?

Yeah I don’t think that chart looks good, but are the NDP saying they’re going to spend less? I think they’re spending it in different places?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah I don’t think that chart looks good, but are the NDP saying they’re going to spend less? I think they’re spending it in different places?

I suspect Notley will just go down to the responsible spending level that Rachel Notley had before, not this grotesque amount of spending that the UCP currently has.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

hey hey hey.. chill. He loves you.

He’s taking the high road here. He’ll DM you about it later.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect Notley will just go down to the responsible spending level that Rachel Notley had before, not this grotesque amount of spending that the UCP currently has.

Lol, based on what though? I’m not advocating for the UCP here, but there’s no indication that the NDP plans to spend less. If we really wanted to look back to the past election, the NDP ran around throwing money at all kinds of things leading up to that as well. That gets piled on as spending for Kenney because they were out before they actually spent it, but it’s hard to delineate these numbers perfectly. It might be things that I’m in favour of (Deerfoot spending, the ring road, etc), but that was committed to by Notley and I think there was a lot of consternation at that amount of spending?

To be honest, I haven’t gone back and looked at all that. It’s just my impression that this is how things went. But the idea that Smith is spending all this money on things to try to get elected now and the NDP is going to take it away is pretty unlikely.