2023 NHL Draft Thread

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bedard will likely end up built like Patrick Kane. He won’t be tall, but will be solid.

Bedard already weighs about 10 pounds more than Kane. I’m thinking the comparison is more like Crosby.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Chicago in no shape or form ever deserved to win this lottery....same teams are always getting screwed...man I feel sorry for Phoenix

I think they got best player last year anyways with Cooley.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

That’s the thing though, for me.

Edmonton was horrible for a decade. Won the right lottery and with a lot of ref help, playoff guarantee. Rewarded.

Chicago was deliberately horrible. Like as overtly as you could be. Rewarded.

Neither is an exception.

For a fan what’s the point. Check out for 20 years and check back in if you win the lottery.

Playoff guarantee? They’ve made it 50% of the time since McDavid was drafted. So have the Flames.

[dustygoon]

EDIT: nm. not a great thread for this post.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Disgusting organization gets thrust into being a contender again right after everything comes out about them. While others worry about division teams getting him, this to me was the worst outcome by a mile. So sad with this result

Not even close.

[TheScorpion]

Yeah ... Bedard actually went to the organization with the least support for him, IMO. Chicago is still 3-5 years away from even getting out of the basement. They traded all their good young players just to get a shot at Bedard, and now they have him ... surrounded by a smoldering pile of trash.

I could see an outcome where this all crashes and burns spectacularly and the Hawks trade Bedard in five years without even making the playoffs.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Playoff guarantee? They’ve made it 50% of the time since McDavid was drafted. So have the Flames.

Fine. I think it’s 100% going forward. Either way they ‘d be zero percent without the reward for incompetence. the worst run franchise is sports will win more playoff rounds than teams that try or tried, for literally no other reason than being awful. They are cousin Eddie that won a lottery and now gets to rub it in your face.

So now there is planned incompetence. Be awful, on purpose, for years. As many as it takes to win the right lottery. If you are Arizona or Buffalo you might be on the oilers decades plan. Get lucky like Chicago or Toronto and maybe it’s 5 years.

The system is totally perverse.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Fine. I think it’s 100% going forward. Either way they ‘d be zero percent without the reward for incompetence. the worst run franchise is sports will win more playoff rounds than teams that try or tried, for literally no other reason than being awful. They are cousin Eddie that won a lottery and now gets to rub it in your face.

So now there is planned incompetence. Be awful, on purpose, for years. As many as it takes to win the right lottery. If you are Arizona or Buffalo you might be on the oilers decades plan. Get lucky like Chicago or Toronto and maybe it’s 5 years.

The system is totally perverse.

How would you like them to distribute new young talent?

[Jiri Hrdina]

In his post-lottery mock, Pronman has the Flames taking Barlow at 16.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How would you like them to distribute new young talent?

It'll never happen but I would go to a system where any non playoff team has the same odds for #1 and #2. Take away the reward for outright suckage.
Or hold a end of season tournament for non playoff teams where the winning team gets #1.

Again neither will ever happen.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How would you like them to distribute new young talent?

The best idea I’ve seen is the wonder wheel. It does not need to be complicated.

32 teams. You pick first every 32 years. Every first round pick on a schedule.

Remove the reward to be awful. When more teams are trying to be awful then great there’s a problem. The best advice for ~20 teams right now is be bad. Be really really bad and offer the worst product possible for as long as you can get away with.

[Toonage]

So a Stanley Cup winner could conceivably pick the 1OA that same year?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

In his post-lottery mock, Pronman has the Flames taking Barlow at 16.

I saw that. I think it's actually Julian McKenzie that made the pick for Calgary. Regardless, I'd be pleased with Barlow at #16.

[Bingo]

Putting together an average of the rankings again this year with the team having a first round pick.

By average there seems to be a deep ledge starting at 9 and continuing to 20.

Number to the left is the average rank.
Number to the right is the average of the player's rankings.

9 Colby Barlow 11.14
10 Eduard Sale 12.43
11 David Reinbacher 12.71
12 Oliver Moore 13.14
13 Axel Sandin Pellikka 14.43
14 Brayden Yager 14.71
15 Nate Danielson 15.14
16 Gabe Perreault 16.86
17 Matthew Wood 17.71
18 Andrew Cristall 17.71
19 Samuel Honzek 18.67
20 David Edstrom 19.00

[dustygoon]

Seems so many posts on twitter and theathletic talking about Chicago and Bedard is getting overrun by Kyle Beach comments.

Awesome. I hope this carries through to booing when the Blackhawks make the pick.

[Beninho]

Some organizations have all the luck even when karma should say otherwise

[JohnnyB]

I think GMs should have a televised competition across a range of skills to settle who gets 1OA, from arm wrestling to chess and quick draw with paintballs. That would make the NHL draft by far the coolest of any sports league.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

The best idea I’ve seen is the wonder wheel. It does not need to be complicated.

32 teams. You pick first every 32 years. Every first round pick on a schedule.

Remove the reward to be awful. When more teams are trying to be awful then great there’s a problem. The best advice for ~20 teams right now is be bad. Be really really bad and offer the worst product possible for as long as you can get away with.

So your turn comes around, and you get Yakupov. Then you have no chance again for 31 years.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So a Stanley Cup winner could conceivably pick the 1OA that same year?

Sure.

These are billion dollar orgs. I don't buy the idea that they 'need' picks as league welfare.

If you know your next few picks are 4th, 14th, 24th, and 1st, or whatever, plan accordingly and go win. May the best team win and if you win the cup AND didn't trade the upcoming first.. how fn good are you?

I know its counter to sports history but think about it a sec.
Edmonton is rewarded for being horrible. Chicago now twice.The Rangers. Florida. Tampa. Be bad. As bad as you can. Eventually, losing wins.

Teams like Nashville get completely screwed for building a great franchise and trying to win, even if they fell short. I think of SJ too. There are more.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It'll never happen but I would go to a system where any non playoff team has the same odds for #1 and #2. Take away the reward for outright suckage.
Or hold a end of season tournament for non playoff teams where the winning team gets #1.

Again neither will ever happen.

So Pittsburgh and Nashville happen to win this year, as an example. How is that better? How do bad teams get better?

The bottom line is that fans are always going to be unhappy when the best players go to other teams, and not their team (which will happen almost all of the time). But in the end, the current system works well because bad teams get better players - parity is good, and this system is as good as any at maintaining it. With your system, a less bad team happens to win and they are instantly a good team again, while the weaker teams remain weak.