I'm starting to wonder if Fox choosing not to sign here had more to do with the franchise than just wanting to play in NY. I mean, the guy has a psychology degree from Harvard, so it's not like he's an idiot. He probably picked up on a few things during his trip(s) out here and was like... yeah I'm just gonna finish my degree and then sign wherever I want.
We probably would've had a better shot at signing him if he'd studied communications at BU.
meh...that's a stretch. Sorry, but I know what gets taught in most psych undergrad programs. It's not that detailed and nuanced. It's pretty standard stuff that most people recognize after a certain age/level of wisdom.
To see serious organizational faults you'd need at least a Masters level, but probably a PhD in organizational psychology.
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Flames had the opportunity to build a team around Bennett and Tkachuk.
Flames chose Backlund and Giordano.
Poor coaching hires and a lack of vision really stood in the way of this team becoming more than it did. I do get it though - by all accounts Giordano and Backlund are excellent people, hard not to bet on people like that.
The further we get from Treliving resignation, the more I’m okay with it. He was good - and fear of the alternative is very, very real - but I’m happy we’re going in a new direction in management and coaching.
I #%^*ing love Benny and Chucky as players.
Our problem is we bet on the best people, instead of the best hockey players.
Even though the former two are also very good players, sometimes you have to commit to the guys with the ceiling.
If they're not blossoming under what you're doing, you change the mix around them. You don't slowly alienate them until they want out.
BPA and talent have to be priority #1 under this new regime. The character first mentality backfired. And we ended up as dysfunctional as locker rooms come. So what good did that do us?
Just never go dumpster diving for the Evander Kanes of the league and we'll be good.
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Tre walked into a huge mess, a bunch of bad contracts, and had a decent core to work with but no superstars. His best trade work (probably the Hanifin/Lindholm trade) was excellent. His worst signings turned out to be worse than anyone could imagine (I don't remember people predicting a total James Neal career-ending fail).
Bennett wanting out is less Treliving's fault than the coaching, and who knows what was going on in Tkachuk's mind at any given time, he may never have stayed here. Maybe Calgary has a bad reputation as a destination, I don't know. But I don't put all this on Treliving alone.
He wasn't a magical GM but he wasn't awful. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Pitt. There's not that many people qualified for the job, really (look at Calgary's current options, it's not like there's a clear bona fide obvious choice).
Time will tell.
What were the bad contracts he inherited? Did he have long term contracts like Kadri’s and Hubredeau’s that he inherited that I forgot about?
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I'm starting to wonder if Fox choosing not to sign here had more to do with the franchise than just wanting to play in NY. I mean, the guy has a psychology degree from Harvard, so it's not like he's an idiot. He probably picked up on a few things during his trip(s) out here and was like... yeah I'm just gonna finish my degree and then sign wherever I want.
We probably would've had a better shot at signing him if he'd studied communications at BU.
He also refused to sign in Carolina
Things are negative enough we don’t need to make up new imaginary things
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I'm starting to wonder if Fox choosing not to sign here had more to do with the franchise than just wanting to play in NY. I mean, the guy has a psychology degree from Harvard, so it's not like he's an idiot. He probably picked up on a few things during his trip(s) out here and was like... yeah I'm just gonna finish my degree and then sign wherever I want.
We probably would've had a better shot at signing him if he'd studied communications at BU.
Fox didn't want to sign in Carolina either. That's a team known for both recent success and comradery.
It was very clear that Fox wanted to go to the NYR.
This is going to be an ongoing issue with the NCAA players. They develop a much greater attachment to certain geographical areas than the kids who go through the junior system do.
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I'm starting to wonder if Fox choosing not to sign here had more to do with the franchise than just wanting to play in NY. I mean, the guy has a psychology degree from Harvard, so it's not like he's an idiot. He probably picked up on a few things during his trip(s) out here and was like... yeah I'm just gonna finish my degree and then sign wherever I want.
We probably would've had a better shot at signing him if he'd studied communications at BU.
LOL. Adam Fox was waiting until he could sign with the Rangers, full stop. Come on man, things have been bad enough, we don't need to add fake fuel to the fire. Fox wasn't signing in Calgary and he wasn't signing for any other team besides the Rangers either.
I think Treliving will be the frontrunner for the TO job if they decide not renew Dubas. Almost too convienient of a hire.
Toronto must be thinking Treliving helped build the Panthers into a contender... oh, wait, never mind.
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Toronto must be thinking Treliving helped build the Panthers into a contender... oh, wait, never mind.
Yeah I don't get why Flames fans keep acting like the Leafs would want Treliving. Is there some connection I'm not aware of? Because Trev reminds me a lot of Dubas. Makes deals that on paper look great but when the games are played the team never produces.
This team has no heart and is a chore to watch. I'm pretty sure Flames fans said the same thing about their team this season.
This may be a stretch so just hear me out, maybe the Panthers are winning games because they are actually really quite good. They are simply outplaying the Leafs who look old and slow by comparison. They have looked fast and youthful while the Leafs have just looked a step or two behind and can't really get much sustained pressure where they have the puck in high percentage areas.
I guess the Panthers were one of the best teams in the league last year and while they didn't perform in the regular season the bones of a great team are still there.
The Leafs didn't deserve to win their first round series and being continually outplayed but winning due to the other goaltender not being good is bound to end up in failure eventually.
I would be interested to see if they try again or go for a rebuild after another failure in the playoffs.
Fox didn't want to sign in Carolina either. That's a team known for both recent success and comradery.
It was very clear that Fox wanted to go to the NYR.
This is going to be an ongoing issue with the NCAA players. They develop a much greater attachment to certain geographical areas than the kids who go through the junior system do.
At least the ones born with silver spoons stuck in their asses
Yeah I don't get why Flames fans keep acting like the Leafs would want Treliving. Is there some connection I'm not aware of? Because Trev reminds me a lot of Dubas. Makes deals that on paper look great but when the games are played the team never produces.
This team has no heart and is a chore to watch. I'm pretty sure Flames fans said the same thing about their team this season.
There was an article a few months ago about Treliving potentially going to TO. It was all speculative not based on any rumours but I think that has got people thinking about it.
In terms of the fit teams often go in a different direction when moving on from a coach/GM and I think Treliving would offer a clearly different approach than what Dubas brought. Based on his experience he would have to be considered by Toronto at the very least.
What were the bad contracts he inherited? Did he have long term contracts like Kadri’s and Hubredeau’s that he inherited that I forgot about?
Wideman and Stajan were both unmoveable at that time. Not 8 years or anything, but critical trades/free agent signings that didn't move the needle for the club.
Feaster did not too bad of a job unravelling the disaster that Sutter had left, but he also didn't build a great team in that time.
Treliving had some expensive pieces like Hudler to deal with (try to keep fit/in) and arguably couldn't do certain things because too many players had too much money, and signing "winners" like Brandon Bollig didn't help either.
I don't love where Treliving has left the Flames. These two big signings Huby and Kadri, are .... way overpriced and way over term is what it looks like. But we also don't know what the demand from ownership was - "Sign whoever you can right now" may have been the mandate, I don't know.
At any rate I see Tre as a thoughful intelligent guy, and I suspect he'll get a job in the NHL again as soon as he chooses to - again, time will tell. We don't know exactly why he left the Flames, but it wasn't because he was so happy. They say people don't leave jobs, they leave managers.
Most of the Leafs problems can be boiled down to when they signed Tavares a very large contract
Yep I agree. Its not even a bad signing. It just left them with too much cap tied up in forwards and 3 guys. They even have Nylander on a good deal but they have to go cheap on defense and goalie. Its easier to find some random forward to fill a top 6/9 spot - and the Leafs have been good at this - got Hyman and Bunting for next to nothing. But when you're hunting in the bargain bin for goalies and defenseman - it can go sideways.
Also the Sandin trade was really odd in retrospect considering they barely play Gustafsson. The Jake Muzzin trade also blew up in their face in retrospect.
Yeah that signing was always going to be risky especially with a full NMC. For it to be worth it he needed to tip the scales for them in the playoffs and he's never done that. Now they are a year away from losing both Matthews and Nylander and it seems like this may have been their last shot as a group. He's a good 2nd line center but they could have gone about filling that position without sinking $11 million into it. Florida seems to be getting a lot more out of their 2nd line center for a lot less money.
