[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why would he return to a team who fired him twice? He's being 8 million to go away I'm sure Darryl is fine.

Because to some people there are things more important than money.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Yes so even just using his point average per game not what he actually produced he still doesn't average out to be the 115 point player. People use that number when criticizing Sutter because it sounds better not because it represents what we should expect from Hubredeau going forward.I don't expect him to get 55 points next season either but if the standard is an outlier season when people use 115 to make their point than why not use 55?

I think even expecting 99 points or close to it is hopeful for a player that is 28 and only once score above 99 points and only once got close to it.

Scoring rates in the NHL have gone higher.

[Roof-Daddy]

Anybody wanting to sell low on any of these players right now is kind of a dumb dumb

Hire a good coach
Inject some youth
Cut some old dead weight depth players
Hope Markstrom bounces back
If Markstrom still sucks, hope Wolf is for real

This team has huge potential for a major bounce back with all the down years that many individual players had.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Anybody wanting to sell low on any of these players right now is kind of a dumb dumb

Hire a good coach
Inject some youth
Cut some old dead weight depth players
Hope Markstrom bounces back
If Markstrom still sucks, hope Wolf is for real

This team has huge potential for a major bounce back with all the down years that many individual players had.

I think most of the 'sell off crowd' want us to sell high on older guys to collect more youth. Guys like Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli whose values are very high (and the first two seemed interested in leaving after the season end interviews).

We are resigned to Huby's contract being untradable. I still think a few teams would be interested in Kadri after some shocking playoff exists this season. They'd value his grit, dark arts and experience. We won't be a contender for a few years so not sure his attributes are best applied here.

IMO the bounce back is exactly as likely as another similar year. We don't have enough facts to say they will bounce back, or get worse. There are some solid thoeries, but we don't really know why they sucked.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think most of the 'sell off crowd' want us to sell high on older guys to collect more youth. Guys like Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli whose values are very high (and the first two seemed interested in leaving after the season end interviews).

We are resigned to Huby's contract being untradable. I still think a few teams would be interested in Kadri after some shocking playoff exists this season. They'd value his grit, dark arts and experience. We won't be a contender for a few years so not sure his attributes are best applied here.

IMO the bounce back is exactly as likely as another similar year. We don't have enough facts to say they will bounce back, or get worse. There are some solid thoeries, but we don't really know why they sucked.

IMO the biggest key to a bounce back is getting at least league average level goaltending.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Anybody wanting to sell low on any of these players right now is kind of a dumb dumb

Hire a good coach
Inject some youth
Cut some old dead weight depth players
Hope Markstrom bounces back
If Markstrom still sucks, hope Wolf is for real

This team has huge potential for a major bounce back with all the down years that many individual players had.

Bounce back to what? 6th and a first round exit?

Doing all those things and best case scenario seems to be 2nd in our division and maybe a lucky first round win only to be whipped in the 2nd round.

Yes it might be a low point to sell some guys but more likely that low is just the level of value they have going forward.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Because to some people there are things more important than money.

Yeah if money didn't matter he wouldn't being masking 8 million to drink beer on his farm.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What were his actual totals?

And 92, 92, 91 aren't close to 115 so no he is as much a 55 point player as he is a 115 point player.

Really tying yourself in knots trying to pretend Huberdeau isn’t an elite forward with one poor outlier season. Let’s take the average of all those seasons minus the outliers. He’s a 91.7 pt/gm player - which oddly enough is 23 pts from 115pts and 36.7 away from 55pts…

[Lanny_McDonald]

@Spurs

Why the #### did you register for this site? You're obviously NOT a fan. As a glass is 1/4 full poster, I find everything you post negative to the point of trolling. I thought you were moon returning under another handle, but moon was never this negative.

[Hockey_Ninja]

EDIT: wrong thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

@Spurs

Why the #### did you register for this site? You're obviously NOT a fan. As a glass is 1/4 full poster, I find everything you post negative to the point of trolling. I thought you were moon returning under another handle, but moon was never this negative.

It’s funny you say that as one of the reasons I did sign up was I was losing interest in the team because of how unlikable it had become and thought talking with other fans would help renew that passion for the club.

As for the “negative” label I always find that funny and usually crap as it is in this case. But in response I would say a. I am far from the only fan that feels the way I do. Check that thread you started a few weeks ago plenty of people said this is the lowest and most disconnected they have felt. B. I would ask what is there to be positive about? We are in the worst situation to be in we have an old core and a mediocre team. We have no path to contend, no hope for the future. It sucks. Throw in zero quality prospects, I know people will say Wolf I don’t trust any goalie we have seen too many studs fail, to be excited about and I just see nothing to be positive about.

I hope the team turns it around by some miracle but right now I just call it as I see it and there is nothing but hopelessness coming out if the Flames organization. I see no reason to pretend otherwise.

Also I do find it funny that if someone disagrees with you that they are “obviously not a fan”

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Really tying yourself in knots trying to pretend Huberdeau isn’t an elite forward with one poor outlier season. Let’s take the average of all those seasons minus the outliers. He’s a 91.7 pt/gm player - which oddly enough is 23 pts from 115pts and 36.7 away from 55pts…

Not tying myself into anything just pointing out facts.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah if money didn't matter he wouldn't being masking 8 million to drink beer on his farm.

You have reached a new low in stupidity and obtuseness. Maybe it's your schtick...but it's annoying, obnoxious, callous, and babyish.

Silence is golden. Try it.

Peace. Out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Really tying yourself in knots trying to pretend Huberdeau isn’t an elite forward with one poor outlier season. Let’s take the average of all those seasons minus the outliers. He’s a 91.7 pt/gm player - which oddly enough is 23 pts from 115pts and 36.7 away from 55pts…

What math are you using to say that Hubby is a 91.7 point player, minus his outliers?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

What math are you using to say that Hubby is a 91.7 point player, minus his outliers?

if you look at the three seasons prior to his 115 point season, it's:

2018-19: 92 points in 82 games
2019-20: 78 points in 69 games (pace for 92.7 points)
2020-21: 61 points in 55 games (pace for 90.9 points)

so he averaged a 91.9 points pace over three seasons with remarkable consistency. Then the two outliers:

2021-22: 115 points in 80 games (pace for 117.9 points)
2022-23: 55 points in 79 games (pace for 57.1 points)

everybody can draw their own conclusions from that. Huberdeau obviously had a crazy year in 21-22, but based on the three seasons prior, I would argue that's still a lot closer to the "real" Huberdeau than the turd of a season he's had in 22-23. He was an elite producer even before his 115 point season, so there's reasons to be optimistic that he can rebound.

[TheKiprusoffResurrection]

Who cares about the past. Will Huby's 2023-24 point total be closer to 55 or 115?

If it's closer to 115 I will be pleasantly surprised and the team will likely have alot more success. But if I had to guess, I would say closer to 55.

I'll say he scores 70-75 points next year. Which will still be a bit disappointing imo, but a big improvement over this past season.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

You have reached a new low in stupidity and obtuseness. Maybe it's your schtick...but it's annoying, obnoxious, callous, and babyish.

Silence is golden. Try it.

Peace. Out.

Sadly, I believe many here have come to the conclusion that it’s not a “schtick”.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It’s funny you say that as one of the reasons I did sign up was I was losing interest in the team because of how unlikable it had become and thought talking with other fans would help renew that passion for the club.

As for the “negative” label I always find that funny and usually crap as it is in this case. But in response I would say a. I am far from the only fan that feels the way I do. Check that thread you started a few weeks ago plenty of people said this is the lowest and most disconnected they have felt. B. I would ask what is there to be positive about? We are in the worst situation to be in we have an old core and a mediocre team. We have no path to contend, no hope for the future. It sucks. Throw in zero quality prospects, I know people will say Wolf I don’t trust any goalie we have seen too many studs fail, to be excited about and I just see nothing to be positive about.

I hope the team turns it around by some miracle but right now I just call it as I see it and there is nothing but hopelessness coming out if the Flames organization. I see no reason to pretend otherwise.

Also I do find it funny that if someone disagrees with you that they are “obviously not a fan”

This is purposely obtuse.

The Flames might be the best suited team in the league to enter a rebuild. With 7 players entering their UFA seasons, they could stockpile an unprecedented amount of draft picks and prospects from an organizational perspective. Will it turn out this way? Probably not but if Lindholm and one of or both Backlund and Hanifin want to move on, what choice will the Flames have?

Fair to say the Flames are not at the top of the league regarding their current prospect pipeline but that doesn’t mean Pelletier, Zary,Coronato, Wolf aren’t quality prospects in any system or that there may be others like Piorier or Kuznetzov who turn out to be players.

Lanny’s right, your overly pessimistic view is lame.

[devo22]

yeah, depending on the direction they want to take, they have a pretty interesting and potentially promising situation at their hands. Toffoli is coming off a career year, players like Lindholm and Hanifin are always in demand, Zadorov had a solid year as well. Some of those contracts are absolute steals for 23-24 ... if you decide to trade some of those this summer and allow them to discuss a contract extension with a new team, I'd imagine you'd get a heck of a return. Backlund and Tanev, I'd see them more as trade chips for the deadline, but again, there should be a healthy market for those kinds of deadline additions.

We obviously don't know the new GM yet and therefore have no idea what they are going to do, and it's entirely possible they'll just run it back and hope for the best ... but potentially they could use this upcoming UFA thing to change course and build for the future.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This is purposely obtuse.

The Flames might be the best suited team in the league to enter a rebuild. With 7 players entering their UFA seasons, they could stockpile an unprecedented amount of draft picks and prospects from an organizational perspective. Will it turn out this way? Probably not but if Lindholm and one of or both Backlund and Hanifin want to move on, what choice will the Flames have?

Fair to say the Flames are not at the top of the league regarding their current prospect pipeline but that doesn’t mean Pelletier, Zary,Coronato, Wolf aren’t quality prospects in any system or that there may be others like Piorier or Kuznetzov who turn out to be players.

Lanny’s right, your overly pessimistic view is lame.

With the Hubredeau, Kadri and Markstrom deals how are they well suited for a rebuild? Those are deals that will be virtually impossible to move and with those 3 players we are unlikely to ever be bad enough to get the picks we need so we get what we always have good players, but not the level that is needed to compete for the Cup.

As for the prospects it is barren but every team has Pelletier, Coronato, Zary level guys. Every team has guys like Kuznetzov and Poirier that might turn into something. That is the point we are just average when it comes to prospects, nobody to be excited about and we are resorting to hope that guys turn out better than they have shown so far.

There is nothing pessimistic about my view and I don't get why not being a homer is frowned on by so many, if that is how you choose to be a fan fair enough but what is lame is a group of people always ####ting on people that don't only cheer with Flames colored glasses on, that in no way makes you or others better fans.