[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Harry Lime]

That's some bad math.

[SportsJunky]

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by devo22

in the three seasons before that, he still had a pace of 92, 92 and 91. So no, Brunette didn't turn a 55 point player into a 115 point player.

Originally Posted by Spurs

What were his actual totals?

And 92, 92, 91 aren't close to 115 so no he is as much a 55 point player as he is a 115 point player.

What are you going on about? Devo was very clear, while you're just making oddly biased statements with numbers.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What were his actual totals?

And 92, 92, 91 aren't close to 115 so no he is as much a 55 point player as he is a 115 point player.

If you don't look into the numbers then why do you even have an opinion?

In 2021-22- Huberdeau was the focal point of the Panthers offence. He was given additional ice time. His shot rates went up significantly which led to his 30 goals. Scoring in the league generally went up as well. Barkov also took a step forward in his scoring. It was also Brunette's first (and only) season as coach.

Multiple factors.

You know what was the largest contributor to his cliff dive in scoring? His 16:52 ATOI.

Whereas Tkachuk went from 17:54 ATOI under Sutter to 20:26 under Maurice.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think this is what you were going for, but what this actually says is that the Panthers weren’t the best judge of who is captain material. Saying “they didn’t make this guy captain, they made this other guy captain and it was a bad choice” is not something that makes the first guy look bad.

I don’t think Huberdeau has done much to earn that designation, but there are some pretty far reaches going on for why he definitely shouldn’t get it.

Well you can make that conclusion if you like, that the Panthers don't know how to evaluate their own players. But I don't know how that is not any less "far reaching" conclusion than looking at what they actually did.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Well you can make that conclusion if you like, that the Panthers don't know how to evaluate their own players. But I don't know how that is not any less "far reaching" conclusion than looking at what they actually did.

You yourself said they made a poor/controversial choice for captain.

Based on the captain thing and calling him equally close to being a 55 point player as a 115 player, it’s clear you have some weird bias against the player that isn’t really based on reality.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What were his actual totals?

And 92, 92, 91 aren't close to 115 so no he is as much a 55 point player as he is a 115 point player.

LMAOOOO

No 55 points is the outliers not his previous points pace he didn't hit those numbers because of shortened seasons.

He also would have hit 100 in the covid season if it wasn't 56 games.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What are you going on about? Devo was very clear, while you're just making oddly biased statements with numbers.

I said if you want to call Hubredeau a 115 point player based on one season which he hasn't come close to then we can call him a 55 point player as well.

The reality is he really shouldn't be considered either, he likely is a player somewhere in the middle.

And I am not making any biased statements, just stating facts.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

If you don't look into the numbers then why do you even have an opinion?

In 2021-22- Huberdeau was the focal point of the Panthers offence. He was given additional ice time. His shot rates went up significantly which led to his 30 goals. Scoring in the league generally went up as well. Barkov also took a step forward in his scoring. It was also Brunette's first (and only) season as coach.

Multiple factors.

You know what was the largest contributor to his cliff dive in scoring? His 16:52 ATOI.

Whereas Tkachuk went from 17:54 ATOI under Sutter to 20:26 under Maurice.

I did look into the numbers

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You yourself said they made a poor/controversial choice for captain.

Based on the captain thing and calling him equally close to being a 55 point player as a 115 player, it’s clear you have some weird bias against the player that isn’t really based on reality.

What? I haven't called him equally close to anything regarding points, you're confused.

Barkov was chosen because at the time they didn't have a better option. Still doesn't mean that he's a great choice.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

LMAOOOO

No 55 points is the outliers not his previous points pace he didn't hit those numbers because of shortened seasons.

He also would have hit 100 in the covid season if it wasn't 56 games.

55 and 115 are both outliers.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I said if you want to call Hubredeau a 155 point player based on one season which he hasn't come close to then we can call him a 55 point player as well.

The reality is he really shouldn't be considered either, he likely is a player somewhere in the middle.

And I am not making any biased statements, just stating facts.

Literally no one has called him a 155 point player. Except you, who use that term twice.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Literally no one has called him a 155 point player. Except you, who use that term twice.

LOL typo obviously

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The arena deal is at the bottom of my list of what I care about. A reporter shouldn't be spewing fake news and telling people who to vote for.

Bottom line: a vote for the NDP probably seals the fate of the Flames in Calgary. No new arena, no NHL in Calgary for the foreseeable future and one more thing for Edmonton to lord over us!!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by devo22

yup, that's why I said it's dependent on them re-signing this summer. I wouldn't give them a letter with a year left on their contract ... same goes for Tanev, who in general I wouldn't mind wearing a letter either.



plus he clearly wanted to come in and be the face of the franchise. I'd imagine a fresh start under a new regime and on the backheel of a terrible season, it's going to be an easier situation for him.

This point is getting missed a lot.

A lot of people around the Panthers said that Huberdeau had that superstar vibe around him and wanted to be the guy. They talked about how he was a skinny kid who put in thr work to get bigger and wanted to win.

He even said when he came here how watching the Panthers get spanked by Tampa changed his views and he wanted to commit to playing two way hockey and being playoff ready. Being playoff ready doesn't mean a coach who mishandled you and treats you like crap.

It really goes back to star players being treated like stars and allowed to showcase their skills. Sutter doesn't like that stuff and destroyed his confidence.

I bet we see a different Huberdeau next season and guys like Spurs Manhattanboy and Burning Red in line to get Huberdeau jersey.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Spurs

55 and 115 are both outliers.

fair. I've listed the pace he was on during the three seasons prior (totals don't make sense in 19-20 and 20-21, as those were Covid shortened seasons), in which he was a consistant performer over a PPG. You decide which one was the bigger outlier ...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Saqe

What? I haven't called him equally close to anything regarding points, you're confused.

Barkov was chosen because at the time they didn't have a better option. Still doesn't mean that he's a great choice.

You said calling him a 115 player is the same as calling him a 55 point player, which is absurd.

And it’s entirely possible they did have a better choice than Barkov… and chose wrong. You think he was the best choice on the entire team but also a poor choice? Seems Seems unlikely.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You said calling him a 115 player is the same as calling him a 55 point player, which is absurd.

When did I say this?!?!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And it’s entirely possible they did have a better choice than Barkov… and chose wrong. You think he was the best choice on the entire team but also a poor choice? Seems Seems unlikely.

Yes they could have made a mistake so essentially you are saying the Panthers organization can't evaluate their own players and made a mistake. Yes possible, but rather far reaching especially if YOU think you know better.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Spurs

55 and 115 are both outliers.

Yes, they are. However, great seasons are a lot harder to achieve than lousy seasons. Huberdeau had a lousy season this year, for a lot of reasons. But that doesn't detract from the fact that he put up 346 points in his prior 286 games.

Putting up numbers like that doesn't just happen. And dismissing them, simply because he just had a bad season, is what is disingenuous here.