WCSF: Vegas Golden Knights [PAC1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] Vegas wins 4-2

[GioforPM]

Oilers scored their first goal (and got their only lead) on a penalty that was marginal even in the regular season. It was the kind of obstruction that you see called early on when refs are trying to send a message. And they abandoned that standard right quick in the game.

If they call normal playoff penalties, Oilers lose. If they call them even, Oilers lose, because while the Oilers have a great powerplay, their PK sucks. If they call it’s one sided, Oilers win.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

I think it's pretty obvious there's something wrong - McDavid doesn't have the foot speed that he usually brings. If the Oilers acknowledged it, he'd probably get the same treatment that Stone is.

Either that, or the weight of carrying everyone except Draisaitl on his back is starting to take a toll?

He played 27 mins in game 6 against LA and 24 game 1. So did Leon

Oilers get 4 goals - 5 players get points

Vegas gets 6 goals - only 7 players did not get a point.

2 players on vegas played 20 mins with only AP over 21 mins. 0 forwards played 20 mins.

Oilers had 7 guys play 20 mins and 4 fowards play over 20 mins with Leon, Connor and Hyman playing over 23 mins.

Same thing every year. Someone out of the big guns will get hurt every year playing like this. Sure Janmark got hurt but they dress 7 dmen every game with the plan they will play their top guys 20+.

With McDavid slowed up has Nuge done anything? He's a 100 point guy isn't he?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

McDavid took a bit of a knee from Doughty in the first round and has had some issues with mobility ever since, without the same explosiveness that allowed him to get around defenders.

Vegas was the better team last night with more sustained pressure for the most part. The Oilers had periods where they played well but their defense couldn’t get the puck out and the depth of the Knights was taking its toll on the Oilers.

Desharnais Is brutal though and while I don’t believe in laying losses at the feet of a number 6 defenseman he is trying his hardest to make an exception to that. Awful passes, poor clearings, bobbling the puck in his own zone, turnovers… an inability to clear the zone or have any breakout passes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

He played 27 mins in game 6 against LA and 24 game 1. So did Leon

Oilers get 4 goals - 5 players get points

Vegas gets 6 goals - only 7 players did not get a point.

2 players on vegas played 20 mins with only AP over 21 mins. 0 forwards played 20 mins.

Oilers had 7 guys play 20 mins and 4 fowards play over 20 mins with Leon, Connor and Hyman playing over 23 mins.

Same thing every year. Someone out of the big guns will get hurt every year playing like this. Sure Janmark got hurt but they dress 7 dmen every game with the plan they will play their top guys 20+.

With McDavid slowed up has Nuge done anything? He's a 100 point guy isn't he?

They also play those huge minutes largely overlapping. It’s not like McDavid and Draisaitl combined for 50 minutes. And when Draisaitl is not on the line, Nuge is. So that’s half the game when you don’t have to contain their best players, as opposed to what would happen if they stayed on different lines.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I really wonder if McDavid is injured.
Or maybe he's just looking very average after a monster season.

It appeared that he was spending a lot more time than usual getting up off the ice and looking to the officials for calls. Which is tough for him.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They also play those huge minutes largely overlapping. It’s not like McDavid and Draisaitl combined for 50 minutes. And when Draisaitl is not on the line, Nuge is. So that’s half the game when you don’t have to contain their best players, as opposed to what would happen if they stayed on different lines.

Nuge has played 30 mins 5 on 5 with McDavid and 21 mins with Leon. Only 46 seconds with both.

Nuge has been on the ice for 0 5 on 5 goals for playing with 1 or the other or both. The Edmonton radio guys call him a 100 point guy. lol he's still just a mooch off the other 2 and he's dragging them down this playoffs.

I agree with your point when Leon and McDavid play together. They usually play 25 mins a night in close games. That's 35 mins where neither are on the ice. I think they are better off playing those 2 apart but if they load up a line I think it's stupid that they also play Kane or Hyman with them. That leaves 3 very bad lines.

If I'm coaching and put McDavid with Leon, I'm creating a line of Nuge - Hyman - Kane. That's the only hope of having secondary scoring.

But you are right, they are more likely to go all the way with the big 2 apart. They just get caught up on how the big 2 dominate together but your not winning giving up 6 goals and getting out played badly at 5 on 5

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Nuge has played 30 mins 5 on 5 with McDavid and 21 mins with Leon. Only 46 seconds with both.

Nuge has been on the ice for 0 5 on 5 goals for playing with 1 or the other or both. The Edmonton radio guys call him a 100 point guy. lol he's still just a mooch off the other 2 and he's dragging them down this playoffs.

I agree with your point when Leon and McDavid play together. They usually play 25 mins a night in close games. That's 35 mins where neither are on the ice. I think they are better off playing those 2 apart but if they load up a line I think it's stupid that they also play Kane or Hyman with them. That leaves 3 very bad lines.

If I'm coaching and put McDavid with Leon, I'm creating a line of Nuge - Hyman - Kane. That's the only hope of having secondary scoring.

But you are right, they are more likely to go all the way with the big 2 apart. They just get caught up on how the big 2 dominate together but your not winning giving up 6 goals and getting out played badly at 5 on 5

Nuge without either of McDrai is a complementary player. So, yeah he’s really bedsides my main point.

[Goriders]

I love that this happened. It brought me joy this morning as I didn’t watch the game or see the result last night.

[kobasew19]

I'm surprised Woodcroft didn't come out and say that the refs should have listened to McDavid and not called that too many penalty late in the third. I mean, McDavid was pretty adamant it wasn't a penalty....

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

I think it's pretty obvious there's something wrong - McDavid doesn't have the foot speed that he usually brings. If the Oilers acknowledged it, he'd probably get the same treatment that Stone is.

Either that, or the weight of carrying everyone except Draisaitl on his back is starting to take a toll?

I think teams play him different in the playoffs (except the Flames) as he's not getting the space he does in the regular season. He was turning over the puck a lot last night due to the pressure the Knights players were putting on him when he has the puck.

[Enoch Root]

"100 point guy" Nugent-Hopkins has 1 point at even strength, and 3 PP points so far, and is a tidy -3

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

It's part of the game, but I agree with Eakins that it's malicious.

It's one thing to slash at a foot when a player has an ankle injury but the type of injury Stone has is the one that lingers into the rest of your life. I guarantee he's going to have a difficult time after hockey. I get that you want to make him uncomfortable but sending him to his 3rd back surgery is akin to purposely taking a run to head shot a player with concussion issues. That's Matt Cooke nonsense.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nuge without either of McDrai is a complementary player. So, yeah he’s really bedsides my main point.

McDavid and Leon haven't been that dominate together at ES either.

McDavid in 71 mins without Leon has been on the ice for 1 goal for 4 against

Leon is 5 - 3 in 67 mins

Together 8 - 4 in 69 mins

xGF together is just over 51%.

Their PP slows down at all they are in trouble if they don't start playing 5 on 5.

4 wins and 3 losses with a 60% PP isn't very good

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He's right though. It's unspoken, but if someone if hurting and you know it, you give those extra shots.

But if it's cool to do it to Stone, they need to speak out and say it's okay if the next time the same thing happens to McDavid and Draisaitl.

Exactly. Of course everyone does it, that is not the issue.

The issue is the hypocrisy from the media and from Oiler fans, who seem to have very short playoff memories, and a very serious double standard with how the game is played.

It is especially distasteful when it is coming from the organization that seems to have made it their MO to try and get the league to call more penalties when McDavid is contacted.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

If he can't play he shouldn't. If you step onto the ice to play you're 100%.

Why is this the mentality though? Back/neck injuries should be a separate “code”. You can eff up a guys whole life and well being by doing this.

This isn’t an ankle or a hand injury. This should be different

[topfiverecords]

You can't rag on McDavid too much. It has to be exhausting playing 24 minutes and reffing for 60.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You can't rag on McDavid too much. It has to be exhausting playing 24 minutes and reffing for 60.

Not too mention coaching. Didn't you see him on the bench with the white board dictating the play to the other players? Only for the puck to end up in the back of the Oilers net on the next sequence.

[EldrickOnIce]

Oops

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not too mention coaching. Didn't you see him on the bench with the white board dictating the play to the other players? Only for the puck to end up in the back of the Oilers net on the next sequence.

The rink was on the other side of the board. It looked more like they were mapping their way down the strip to get those frozen fishbowl margaritas and then hit the $10 blackjack tables for after the game.

[Sylvanfan]

There's nowhere in the rule book where the cross checking motion is legal. You can place your stick on an opponent and use it to try and move them, but that jabbing motion is illegal.

I wish the NHL and all levels of hockey would crack down and get that out of the game.