[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[traptor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm not convinced that Lindholm's discontent was related to Sutter either. I think it had more to do with losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk, and not finding any chemistry with Huberdeau.

Here's a guy who was on the best line in hockey the year before, getting relatively underpaid, and suddenly he has his line line mates ripped away and making big bucks elsewhere. Then Huberdeau comes in, whom he did not seem to like playing with, gets paid way more, and was not effective. Lindholm is watching his 2 buddies cash in, while he is left behind watching his stock go down.

If I had to guess, I would think Lindholm's beef has a lot to do with the management errors and long term direction of the team, and not the coach that helped get him a career year the year before.

Yeah I've mind of been wondering this myself regarding backlund as well. Not convinced it was just Sutter. Feels like there was some fragmentation in the room and I'm not sure where everyone falls on it. Hopefully bloodletting of letting Sutter go is enough to cure the issues though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by peter12

At the professional level, all of the major companies in my sector are run or managed by Millennials or Gen Z-ers. Boomers have already been phased out and it is incredible how out of touch one seems in a management setting when you come across one.

As many people have said here, millennials in particular, are highly educated and generally more democratic. The "I have more experience" or "I have high expectations" card just doesn't play very well anymore. It's almost ridiculous to hear that from a Baby Boomer who can't even save a Word doc to a pdf.

Speaking personally, as a Millennial at a fairly senior-level position, my stance with management and people that I manage is to meet me halfway and then we can figure out how to go from there. It is far more beneficial and productive to spend a bit of time figuring out how different types of people work and integrating that style into a process or product.

You claim that your strategy is to 'meet me halfway', and yet you dismiss an entire generation as 'can't even save a Word doc to a pdf'. Sounds legit, and inspiring!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You claim that your strategy is to 'meet me halfway', and yet you dismiss an entire generation as 'can't even save a Word doc to a pdf'. Sounds legit, and inspiring!

Yes. Especially when that same person (who is my peer) will preface this by saying something dumb like, "yeah well I have been doing this for 25 years" kinda BS.

Anyway, love it when Boomers play the victim card.

[NewFan]

I think Defence players was Okay with Sutter system and they looked like more upset with forwards whose don't help much or don't work like 5 player as a team.
When I watch current playoff teams, they really good at working together when clearing the puck or rushing out from the zone. Their passing is so much better than Flames.
Flames played some games like pre season game even in April. Can't find each other, don't know where to dump, where is other players, and some of them just standing where the coach was told so even there is chance he can get the puck.
So I think forwards more upset with Sutter and didn't wanted to do more than coaches said. May be they were told to much that their creativity is decreased or just didn't like the style or roles that Sutter given them.

Plus they needed a group of players and the captain to unite the players and follow Sutter's system. But the team looks like not so united.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I suspect you won't be around to see it, but if you do I think they are going to be running businesses in very different ways and being equally as successful and equally as bad as what you see today.


I think Millennials and GenZ will run their businesses in a much more open and democratic means than our generation has been used to. This is just part of their culture and their approach to doing things. Traditionally everything should be top-down from management, which these new generations do not accept. They want to be involved and they want to include all voices. That is culture shock to us boomers, but it does have its benefits and we must learn to adapt.

Because of the very democratic approach these generations take toward things I suspect they will be better at handling and managing change that comes from the expectations of future generations. We likely won't get to see it, but I feel they will be as successful.

From one boomer to another, "Okay Boomer." Players do have contracts, but those contracts does not mean they have to be treated poorly or exposed to a toxic work environment. The levels of toxicity may differ by generation, but the comments coming out form the club seem to indicate it was unbearable to all. The right decision was made and hopefully the club will make another good decision moving forward in finding the right GM and then coach.



Just have to point out that Sutter was terminated and paid quite handsomely to leave.

This fits with what I have seem. The younger generations are getting older now, at the company I work for many are now in management positions. And honestly they are doing an great job.

Their management style is much more based on inspiration than ordering. They empathize and understand what motivates their team members. Their teams are highly motivated and work together as a cohesive unit to hit their deadlines. This happens because they build an environment where their team members care about ewch other on a personal level, and go the extra kilometer because of it. Work from home goes smoothly for them too because of this.

It is the old school "do what I say because I am the boss" managers are the ones in trouble. The younger generations just do not respond to that style. And workplace changes like work from home broke a lot of their ability to force their will onto their team. Their teams do not work together and help each other out, they act like a group of individuals who only care about their assigned tasks and metrics.

[Enoch Root]

Players understand that when they sign a new contract, they get market rates, but then that contract will look increasingly stale with each passing season. They get that.

Players want to win. And they want to enjoy the team experience with their team-mates. Once the business part of the equation is dealt with, most put it behind them and focus on what they do: being an athlete, playing a game, being part of a team, and trying to win.

I doubt very much that their angst stems from contract concerns, and I think it is far more likely that it stems from an unfavourable environment.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

This fits with what I have seem. The younger generations are getting older now, at the company I work for many are now in management positions. And honestly they are doing an great job.

Their management style is much more based on inspiration than ordering. They empathize and understand what motivates their team members. Their teams are highly motivated and work together as a cohesive unit to hit their deadlines. This happens because they build an environment where their team members care about ewch other on a personal level, and go the extra kilometer because of it. Work from home goes smoothly for them too because of this.

It is the old school "do what I say because I am the boss" managers are the ones in trouble. The younger generations just do not respond to that style. And workplace changes like work from home broke a lot of their ability to force their will onto their team. Their teams do not work together and help each other out, they act like a group of individuals who only care about their assigned tasks and metrics.

Extremely well-said. I had a Senior VP try this tactic out on my team and it was amazing how it didn't work at all. Even for me, as a Director managing that relationship between the team and executive, felt just instantly uninspired.

Culture is weird.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yes. Especially when that same person (who is my peer) will preface this by saying something dumb like, "yeah well I have been doing this for 25 years" kinda BS.

Anyway, love it when Boomers play the victim card.

LOL. Because only Boomers do that!

If you are judging an entire generation, based on anecdotal experience, then your managerial skills are, shall we say, still developing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Iginla was an all-time great Flame but in the back half of his career he turned into a hard player to coach. He felt the best way he could contribute was by cheating offensively.

When I coached kids I always talked about the Iginla triangle.

Up the boards enough to not help down low, and down the boards enough not to cover your dman.

Great guy, so I always took it as his view on how best to help the team, but huge teaching moment for young players. Two way game!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL. Because only Boomers do that!

If you are judging an entire generation, based on anecdotal experience, then your managerial skills are, shall we say, still developing.

A perfect condescending comment.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Iginla was an all-time great Flame but in the back half of his career he turned into a hard player to coach. He felt the best way he could contribute was by cheating offensively.

In all fairness to Iginla, the system that Brent deployed was a complete failure, so I understood his frustration. The year prior, the Flames were a cup favourite and finished 8th in GF/GP.

Under Brent, we dropped to 29th in GF/G and missed the playoffs.

There was a lot more going on than just the loss of Cammalleri. I really don't blame Jarome for pushing back against a system that was not utilizing the strengths of that team.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

This fits with what I have seem. The younger generations are getting older now, at the company I work for many are now in management positions. And honestly they are doing an great job.

Their management style is much more based on inspiration than ordering. They empathize and understand what motivates their team members. Their teams are highly motivated and work together as a cohesive unit to hit their deadlines. This happens because they build an environment where their team members care about ewch other on a personal level, and go the extra kilometer because of it. Work from home goes smoothly for them too because of this.

It is the old school "do what I say because I am the boss" managers are the ones in trouble. The younger generations just do not respond to that style. And workplace changes like work from home broke a lot of their ability to force their will onto their team. Their teams do not work together and help each other out, they act like a group of individuals who only care about their assigned tasks and metrics.

This is all quite true, but it has been true for a long time. 20 years ago, the terrible bosses were saying "do what I say because I am the boss". The good ones inspired through other means.

Perhaps the newer generations will understand this better, but I suspect you will still have those "dinosaur" managers, even if Millenial or Gen Z.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This is all quite true, but it has been true for a long time. 20 years ago, the terrible bosses were saying "do what I say because I am the boss". The good ones inspired through other means.

Perhaps the newer generations will understand this better, but I suspect you will still have those "dinosaur" managers, even if Millenial or Gen Z.

Absolutely, but it was definitely less common. The typical "Boomer" boss is so infamous because so many workers of my generation have spent a great deal of time busting their heads up against their bullying and condescending tactics.

That's not to say that Millennials or Gen Z-ers can't be toxic too!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by peter12

A perfect condescending comment.

Okay, so you understand what a condescending comment is, good - now go back and apply that knowledge to your post.

Good leaders find the good in other leaders, and try to emulate that. Dismissing entire groups, because of the behavior of a few from that group, is a lousy way to do anything, including going through life, never mind letting it shape the way you manage others.

Imagine if I said that Millennials are overly sensitive snowflakes, simply because you are offended that I challenged your post. Not really a good way to make progress, is it?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, so you understand what a condescending comment is, good - now go back and apply that knowledge to your post.

Good leaders find the good in other leaders, and try to emulate that. Dismissing entire groups, because of the behavior of a few from that group, is a lousy way to do anything, including going through life, never mind letting it shape the way you manage others.

Imagine if I said that Millennials are overly sensitive snowflakes, simply because you are offended that I challenged your post. Not really a good way to make progress, is it?

Lol

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely, but it was definitely less common. The typical "Boomer" boss is so infamous because so many workers of my generation have spent a great deal of time busting their heads up against their bullying and condescending tactics.

That's not to say that Millennials or Gen Z-ers can't be toxic too!

Boomers did not invent that style. In fact, it was FAR more prevalent, in prior generations. Boomers did a pretty good job of replacing it with better tactics, though there are still plenty of dinosaurs out there, to be sure. No doubt each generation will continue to improve upon things.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Boomers did not invent that style. In fact, it was FAR more prevalent, in prior generations. Boomers did a pretty good job of replacing it with better tactics, though there are still plenty of dinosaurs out there, to be sure. No doubt each generation will continue to improve upon things.

Yes, for sure. I learn a lot from my Gen Z colleagues and reports.

[All In Good Time]

Wait!!
Who’s playing the victim card here?

[PepsiFree]

Having worked with too many managers and c-level folks, I don't think having management skills that are "still developing" is a slight. Those whose management skills are still developing vs those whose management skills have fully developed is the difference between highly successful, modern managers with higher degrees of emotional intelligence and managers who are actively being avoided, moved out of their roles, and left behind.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Cole436

In all fairness to Iginla, the system that Brent deployed was a complete failure, so I understood his frustration. The year prior, the Flames were a cup favourite and finished 8th in GF/GP.

Under Brent, we dropped to 29th in GF/G and missed the playoffs.

There was a lot more going on than just the loss of Cammalleri. I really don't blame Jarome for pushing back against a system that was not utilizing the strengths of that team.

You gotta play the right way he would whine all the time, terrible coach.

Now we are Iginla bashing, some using him to teach kids how not to play defence and naming it after him!!