[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The not having a captain thing seemed like Sutter trying to make sure he had absolute power and that the players couldn't organize against him. In hindsight, that didn't seem to go as planned. I never bought the idea that he didn't think there was someone suitable for captain.

If the Flames are waiting to interview Tulsky, they might be waiting a while. I suspect that he will also get a call from the Pens, so waiting around for him might not be the most wise thing to do unless they think they can offer him a better deal than Pittsburgh. Just speculating of course, maybe the Pens have no interest in him.

Penguins will have an option the Flames don't in Treliving as I'm sure they will be interviewing him.

[ShotDownInFlames12]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The not having a captain thing seemed like Sutter trying to make sure he had absolute power and that the players couldn't organize against him. In hindsight, that didn't seem to go as planned. I never bought the idea that he didn't think there was someone suitable for captain.

The weird thing for me was there was a media availabilty last September where it was speculated Huberdeau would Be named and then it turned out to be some random no news presser and the same day on spittin chiclets, Biz said they were going to have Huberdeau on but he had to cancel cause he was being named captain that day and had to cancel last min and then nothing came from it.

[Toonage]

^ Would not shock me and given Darryl's subsequent handling of him he was probably the one who quashed it. Have to put a guy in his place if you don't like something about him.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But When you play 500 minutes with Mikael Backlund in three seasons and don't get much done it's hard to avoid the mirror.

Yeah look.. I personally think it's foolish to beat this particular drum at this point in time. There's no saving face about it, the Flames f'ed this one up with Bennett. Teammates, coaching, player role and developmental plan, etc.

Highest draft pick in org history - "Yeah we're still trying to figure out who Sam Bennett is"
What a joke

With the Panthers he's been played at C with good to elite wingers, they got Tkachuk on his wing and the two of them are seeing far more success in the first two years with the Panthers than in their entire tenure with the Flames. It's nice getting a 45-50pt 4.4m/yr 2nd line center that performs in the playoffs for..... an afterthought 2nd round pick.

14 points in 8 ####ing playoff games guys

Who woulda thought? Oh, that's right.

About a good 15-20 of CPers, myself included, who repeatedly bitched about his usage literally the whole ####ing time he was here. Thanks for proving us right Sam.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Penguins will have an option the Flames don't in Treliving as I'm sure they will be interviewing him.

Maloney said that Treliving left because he needed a mental break and would be surprised if he takes another job immediately. Anything can happen of course, but it would kind of put to rest the mental break excuse.

What would be really funny is if the Pens poached Conroy. I haven't seen his name mentioned, but he was in the running for the Buffalo job a few years ago. I wouldn't be too shocked if he is on their radar.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah look.. I personally think it's foolish to beat this particular drum at this point in time. There's no saving face about it, the Flames f'ed this one up with Bennett. Teammates, coaching, player role and developmental plan, etc.

Highest draft pick in org history - "Yeah we're still trying to figure out who Sam Bennett is"
What a joke

With the Panthers he's been played at C with good to elite wingers, they got Tkachuk on his wing and the two of them are seeing far more success in the first two years with the Panthers than in their entire tenure with the Flames. It's nice getting a 45-50pt 4.4m/yr 2nd line center that performs in the playoffs for..... an afterthought 2nd round pick.

14 points in 8 ####ing playoff games guys

Who woulda thought? Oh, that's right.

About a good 15-20 of CPers, myself included, who repeatedly bitched about his usage literally the whole ####ing time he was here. Thanks for proving us right Sam.

I actually more inclined to agree with you, other than the fact your feel one series + 1 game of exceptional performance = proven right?

It's the right time of year to show case your best stuff, and I actually think Bennett is a playoff gamer. But catching him in the middle of the best two weeks of his entire career and saying, look we were right he's so awesome is very convenient.

If we see multiple seasons of strong performances then fair ball, but one strong playoff performance does not make one a great player. Lots of very average to below average players looked like gems in Calgary's 04 run, but they weren't strong players overall.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah look.. I personally think it's foolish to beat this particular drum at this point in time. There's no saving face about it, the Flames f'ed this one up with Bennett. Teammates, coaching, player role and developmental plan, etc.

Highest draft pick in org history - "Yeah we're still trying to figure out who Sam Bennett is"
What a joke

With the Panthers he's been played at C with good to elite wingers, they got Tkachuk on his wing and the two of them are seeing far more success in the first two years with the Panthers than in their entire tenure with the Flames. It's nice getting a 45-50pt 4.4m/yr 2nd line center that performs in the playoffs for..... an afterthought 2nd round pick.

14 points in 8 ####ing playoff games guys

Who woulda thought? Oh, that's right.

About a good 15-20 of CPers, myself included, who repeatedly bitched about his usage literally the whole ####ing time he was here. Thanks for proving us right Sam.

He has 7 points in 7 playoff games...not arguing with anything you're saying but I think you were looking at Tkachuk for that stat maybe?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Not saying Mark Hunter wouldn't be a good hire, but he really doesn't put the young in young and progressive that Maloney had mentioned wanting.

I don't know if Hunter would be any good or not, but I will say in London a lot of his teams have had a huge focus on skill over size. They picked Mitch Marner when he weighed 130lbs or something when a bunch of teams passed over him because of that. Obviously not young and probably not progressive but at least in junior he hasn't been one of those Burke/Sutter 'size' guys.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I actually more inclined to agree with you, other than the fact your feel one series + 1 game of exceptional performance = proven right?

It's the right time of year to show case your best stuff, and I actually think Bennett is a playoff gamer. But catching him in the middle of the best two weeks of his entire career and saying, look we were right he's so awesome is very convenient.

If we see multiple seasons of strong performances then fair ball, but one strong playoff performance does not make one a great player. Lots of very average to below average players looked like gems in Calgary's 04 run, but they weren't strong players overall.

How many seasons are we going to need? It’s 3 and counting now. We have seen a very strong finish the year he was traded, plus two full productive seasons as a top 6 C. Plus his line just being called out in the playoff victory by the opposing coach

The goalposts on this one just keep moving. Nobody was putting him in the hall of fame

The conversation was about one side calling the draft pick a bust, the other side saying he needed to have consistent quality linemates and could be effective.

Just an effective top 6 player given the opportunity. That was the bar

Bennett may just play out his full career and be retired before some people think we have seen what he is. Then they will have finally been shown to be correct when he’s no longer in the league

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I actually more inclined to agree with you, other than the fact your feel one series + 1 game of exceptional performance = proven right?

It's the right time of year to show case your best stuff, and I actually think Bennett is a playoff gamer. But catching him in the middle of the best two weeks of his entire career and saying, look we were right he's so awesome is very convenient.

If we see multiple seasons of strong performances then fair ball, but one strong playoff performance does not make one a great player. Lots of very average to below average players looked like gems in Calgary's 04 run, but they weren't strong players overall.

Yeah, he's definitely shown mopre and he's had a great POs this year. But he's been a 40-50 point guy in Fla, which is not what you expect from a 4OA. It's good but he benefitsd in Florida by not having that pressure, by maturing his game and by playing first with on top of his game Huberdeau and now with Tkachuk. Frankly, with Tkachuk's season, Bennett should have had more Lindholm-like numbers.

EDIT: The Flames obviously didn't wait long enough or put him in the right situation. I wonder if they can do a reverse and snag an underperforming C like Byfield.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In fairness (as someone who's been to journalism school) the industry standard for most news article writing is 1–3 sentences to a paragraph. Any longer and it starts to look more like an essay. Brevity is key when writing to a wide audience.

But Bell takes that to the absolute extreme. Comes across like he's trying to beat you over the head with every single line.

That's his audience though.

The ones that lose focus after a sentence.

The ones that have short thoughts.

He can't put multiple sentences in a paragraph.

His readers would find it uncomfortable.

Then they wouldn't feel he's one of them.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I don't know if Hunter would be any good or not, but I will say in London a lot of his teams have had a huge focus on skill over size. They picked Mitch Marner when he weighed 130lbs or something when a bunch of teams passed over him because of that. Obviously not young and probably not progressive but at least in junior he hasn't been one of those Burke/Sutter 'size' guys.

Kadri was a Knight too right?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah look.. I personally think it's foolish to beat this particular drum at this point in time. There's no saving face about it, the Flames f'ed this one up with Bennett. Teammates, coaching, player role and developmental plan, etc.

Highest draft pick in org history - "Yeah we're still trying to figure out who Sam Bennett is"
What a joke

With the Panthers he's been played at C with good to elite wingers, they got Tkachuk on his wing and the two of them are seeing far more success in the first two years with the Panthers than in their entire tenure with the Flames. It's nice getting a 45-50pt 4.4m/yr 2nd line center that performs in the playoffs for..... an afterthought 2nd round pick.

14 points in 8 ####ing playoff games guys

Who woulda thought? Oh, that's right.

About a good 15-20 of CPers, myself included, who repeatedly bitched about his usage literally the whole ####ing time he was here. Thanks for proving us right Sam.

Beating a drum?

All I'm saying is that it was both sides ... that's hardly controversial.

I was a Bennett fan, and defended him all the time, but I'm not one to just ignore the player's role in seizing opportunity.

It isn't like it was one coach in his way to succeeding. He played for five different bench bosses in 7 years in Calgary.

All of them were in Bennett's way?

Team certainly could have done a better job; so could have the player. (is that beating a drum?)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, he's definitely shown mopre and he's had a great POs this year. But he's been a 40-50 point guy in Fla, which is not what you expect from a 4OA.

Considering that they have three second overalls on their powerplay, and cycle in the fourth forward based on stylistic fit/need, I think you're severely understating his impact

Since he was traded (April 12th, 2021), among forwards with at least 1000 minutes of 5v5, his P/60 of 2.09 is 81st in the league. In a 32 team league that is first line production.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I can't see it but I hope so. One of the major issues with this roster is that I think it is pretty inflexible what you can do with because of the many unmovable deals and players that aren't good enough to win you anything but good enough to ensure that you don't win anything. I can't see anyway forward we can remake this roster into the rebuild, young team with an exciting potential that we need.

I will also say that (unlike most people here) there isn't a player on the team that I would care if we lost from the roster, from a skill perspective and personal perspective. There is nobody on the team or prospect group I feel a strong connection to or am a huge fan. I know many would point to someone like Wolf, but I have seen too much goalie voodoo to get excited about a goalie prospect or Coronato, but to me he looks like just another ok prospect that might have an ok-ish career. I think having no player that grabs your attention or that I see as key to the team probably skews my view.

I’m not talking about them being good/better next year - I’m talking about them picking a direction, having a plan, sticking to it, and not making stupid, self-defeating decisions on a regular basis.

They can and should blow this up - they couldn’t win WITH this core WITH Johnny and Tkachuk.

They’re not gonna win with all of them north of 30.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Considering that they have three second overalls on their powerplay, and cycle in the fourth forward based on stylistic fit/need, I think you're severely understating his impact

Since he was traded (April 12th, 2021), among forwards with at least 1000 minutes of 5v5, his P/60 of 2.09 is 81st in the league. In a 32 team league that is first line production.

I don't think you are making your point here. And I'm looking at his complete seasons with Fla. I tend to discount his short time after being traded, and I would if he was unproductive then as well.

Saying he's first line quality because of 5x5 PP/60 over two seasons where he misses a bunch of games through his own actions is a bit of a stretch.

[sa226]

Bennett was in a conundrum. He was a frustrating player who needed an opportunity. He was lost in the bottom 6 being deployed all over the place.

At centre, he was behind Monahan and Backlund.

The argument was that he should have forced the teams hand. But he didn't.

In Florida he was given #2C and took it and ran with it

It's no surprise that he's not a point machine, but he's comfortable in his role and plays it well.

Sort of ironically, Sutter would have been the perfect coach for him. Because Sutter rewards with ice time, and Bennett needed ice time. It wouldn't have mattered that he was the 3C, he would have played more if he deserved to.

It's just a poop sandwich for the highest draft pick in team history.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sa226

Bennett was in a conundrum. He was a frustrating player who needed an opportunity. He was lost in the bottom 6 being deployed all over the place.

At centre, he was behind Monahan and Backlund.

The argument was that he should have forced the teams hand. But he didn't.

In Florida he was given #2C and took it and ran with it

It's no surprise that he's not a point machine, but he's comfortable in his role and plays it well.

Sort of ironically, Sutter would have been the perfect coach for him. Because Sutter rewards with ice time, and Bennett needed ice time. It wouldn't have mattered that he was the 3C, he would have played more if he deserved to.

It's just a poop sandwich for the highest draft pick in team history.

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Does he though? He does scratch players based on whatever his notions are, but in the lineup he evens it out a lot. Assuming other trade remain the same, Bennett would have had yet another centre in front of him as well. It'd have been wing or some sort of bottom 6 role.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

This one?
https://calgarysun.com/opinion/colum...-gimme-a-break

What a terrible article - petty and whiny.

And singling out Huberdeau like that is not only cringeworthy, but unprofessional, IMO. We have no idea what Huberdeau said to Maloney. Also, Huberdeau worked hard all year, and never complained, no matter how bad things got.

Just bush league from Ball (who I generally like)

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What a terrible article - petty and whiny.

And singling out Huberdeau like that is not only cringeworthy, but unprofessional, IMO. We have no idea what Huberdeau said to Maloney. Also, Huberdeau worked hard all year, and never complained, no matter how bad things got.

Just bush league from Ball (who I generally like)

Are you confusing Rick Ball and Rick Bell?