2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653812558934028308

It's going to be interesting to see how much term he's looking for in free agency. He's still productive at 34 but his stats did slide this past season.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's going to be interesting to see how much term he's looking for in free agency. He's still productive at 34 but his stats did slide this past season.

he is an analytical black hole. I would guess he returns to chicago or back home to buffalo

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by traptor

I dont disagree. Given the mandate though I dint see that happening this offseason

That means they'll play it out. No way they re-sign all those guys anyway.

I see them re-signing a significant chunk of them (75%) and letting a few walk (like tanve and toffoli or backs). Which I dont necessarily love either but it's what I see happening.

Yep. That is my feeling too. It was the impression Seravalli was giving to Pat recently. However, we can't really know until a GM is named.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trying to imagine what Dallas would've done had they thrown their hands up in the air and given up on Joe Pavelski at whatever cost after he scored 30 points in his first season with the team

Again, an outlier.

At the time they really had no choice but to run with him, although I haven't really looked at why he stumbled so badly.

But if someone had taken Pavelski off their hands at that time, Dallas would have had a decent amount of cap space to spend anyway.

But if you are suggesting that teams are lining up for a chance to give value for Huberdeau, Kadri and Markstrom, say so please.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Only guy I think the Flames need to deal with is Lindholm and maximize value there. He wants out, let him go free. Like opening a cage for a bird, only with a good return.

Serevelli mentioned that there were a handful of "if Sutter stays trade me" requests and those have now been resinded

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

he is an analytical black hole. I would guess he returns to chicago or back home to buffalo

My guess is he waits to see if the Hawks land Bedard

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

he is an analytical black hole. I would guess he returns to chicago or back home to buffalo

I believe Chicago closed the door on both Toews and Kane returning.

I think they want to start a new chapter.

I assume it's related to the Beech fiasco and the fact that both Kane and Towes likely had knowledge of what went down and never spoke up about it.

New management wants a fresh start.

It's why I'm amazed many here would opening welcome Quenneville in as coach.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Anyone thinking Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom are getting traded are out to lunch. Their contracts don't allow a sane GM to consider trading for them. Huberdeau and Kadri are going to have to bounce back. Markstrom too, but what we can do with the goaltending situation is trade Vladar to make room for Wolf. We can all agree on that.

I agree with the poster that says not everyone is going to get traded. But I think you have to narrow it down to 2/4 getting traded from Backlund/Lindholm and Hanifin/Tanev. Toffoli could be a replacement for one of the Flames forwards mentioned but I think Backlund and Lindholm, regardless of Toffoli's career year, have more value.

Lindholm to Columbus does make sense, and I would grab LA's 2023 1st, 2024 3rd, and Cueleman. Zero interest in the aforementioned Foudy. Johnson is likely off the table regardless of who they pick with their likely top 5 pick. So, a top RHD prospect and a 1st in a deep draft is a fine deal for Lindholm, who would mesh well with Gaudreau and Laine. We could sign Domi or ROR to replace Lindholm if need be. Might need to move more cap out.

For Backlund I'd shoot for Boston or Colorado, likely Colorado because they still have a 1st. Would do the trade 1 for 1 if possible.

Hanifin also makes sense in an LA uniform. Would take one of their RHD prospects, Turcotte, and a 2nd/1st depending on how they do or if Turcotte produces any points in Calgary his first year (which I don't think he would, still needs seasoning).

If we're doing retool-like trades and not grabbing picks (which I am not a fan of), I would do Hanifin for Reinhart and Backlund for Girard. Perhaps some new blood is what we need. If it doesn't work out, Reinhart is traded at the deadline. Girard has a long-term contract on a reasonable deal, and he would play well with Andersson or Tanev.

[NewFan]

I think the team's mandate should be always to be competitive team even you are rebuilding.
Flames should trade the today's best players for future best players.
But main plan should be to build the cup contending team after 3-4 years.
Meanwhile we should trade Lindholm & Hanifin & Backlund for at least 2 blue chip prospect and couple of high draft pick 2024 and 2025.
Kadri and Huberdeau are good players. They will help current best team's become better. So may be trade them to the contender for high draft pick, a prospect and salary dump with shorter term.
Toffoli & Mangiapaine & Tanev should be traded during trade deadline for highest bidders, Hope we can get some upcoming prospect and draft pick.
Markstrom - I still think a couple team will trade for him. And I think he will accept to go to the contender. But trade him off season.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Anyone thinking Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom are getting traded are out to lunch. Their contracts don't allow a sane GM to consider trading for them. Huberdeau and Kadri are going to have to bounce back. Markstrom too, but what we can do with the goaltending situation is trade Vladar to make room for Wolf. We can all agree on that.

I agree with the poster that says not everyone is going to get traded. But I think you have to narrow it down to 2/4 getting traded from Backlund/Lindholm and Hanifin/Tanev. Toffoli could be a replacement for one of the Flames forwards mentioned but I think Backlund and Lindholm, regardless of Toffoli's career year, have more value.

Lindholm to Columbus does make sense, and I would grab LA's 2023 1st, 2024 3rd, and Cueleman. Zero interest in the aforementioned Foudy. Johnson is likely off the table regardless of who they pick with their likely top 5 pick. So, a top RHD prospect and a 1st in a deep draft is a fine deal for Lindholm, who would mesh well with Gaudreau and Laine. We could sign Domi or ROR to replace Lindholm if need be. Might need to move more cap out.

For Backlund I'd shoot for Boston or Colorado, likely Colorado because they still have a 1st. Would do the trade 1 for 1 if possible.

Hanifin also makes sense in an LA uniform. Would take one of their RHD prospects, Turcotte, and a 2nd/1st depending on how they do or if Turcotte produces any points in Calgary his first year (which I don't think he would, still needs seasoning).

If we're doing retool-like trades and not grabbing picks (which I am not a fan of), I would do Hanifin for Reinhart and Backlund for Girard. Perhaps some new blood is what we need. If it doesn't work out, Reinhart is traded at the deadline. Girard has a long-term contract on a reasonable deal, and he would play well with Andersson or Tanev.

I largely agree with you, but there are a to. If dumb GMs who make desperate decisions or get pressured into it by ownership to make a certain move. Let’s spotlight the current teams that got bounced in the first round. The Rangers and Wild now specifically have a lot of pressure to bring in that guy who will take them over the top. They’d be the first I’d make the call to to see if either of those guys would fit. If we have one more season of bad from Hub or Kad, they’re dead contracts with us. One bad season is an anomaly. Act now while we can I say. But I don’t think our own ownership group wants any part of that. Double down and triple down if you need to, it seems.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Anyone thinking Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom are getting traded are out to lunch. Their contracts don't allow a sane GM to consider trading for them. Huberdeau and Kadri are going to have to bounce back. Markstrom too, but what we can do with the goaltending situation is trade Vladar to make room for Wolf. We can all agree on that.

I agree with the poster that says not everyone is going to get traded. But I think you have to narrow it down to 2/4 getting traded from Backlund/Lindholm and Hanifin/Tanev. Toffoli could be a replacement for one of the Flames forwards mentioned but I think Backlund and Lindholm, regardless of Toffoli's career year, have more value.

Lindholm to Columbus does make sense, and I would grab LA's 2023 1st, 2024 3rd, and Cueleman. Zero interest in the aforementioned Foudy. Johnson is likely off the table regardless of who they pick with their likely top 5 pick. So, a top RHD prospect and a 1st in a deep draft is a fine deal for Lindholm, who would mesh well with Gaudreau and Laine. We could sign Domi or ROR to replace Lindholm if need be. Might need to move more cap out.

For Backlund I'd shoot for Boston or Colorado, likely Colorado because they still have a 1st. Would do the trade 1 for 1 if possible.

Hanifin also makes sense in an LA uniform. Would take one of their RHD prospects, Turcotte, and a 2nd/1st depending on how they do or if Turcotte produces any points in Calgary his first year (which I don't think he would, still needs seasoning).

If we're doing retool-like trades and not grabbing picks (which I am not a fan of), I would do Hanifin for Reinhart and Backlund for Girard. Perhaps some new blood is what we need. If it doesn't work out, Reinhart is traded at the deadline. Girard has a long-term contract on a reasonable deal, and he would play well with Andersson or Tanev.

Does it have to be dumb to trade for these guys? I see Huberdeau for sure a buy low candidate for another team. Erik Karlsson was labeled as a contract nobody wants. His 100 points say he's moveable and maybe even valuable.

Markstrom probably bounces back to be a $6M goalie too.

IMO Kadri is the only contract we have that we are stuck with.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trying to imagine what Dallas would've done had they thrown their hands up in the air and given up on Joe Pavelski at whatever cost after he scored 30 points in his first season with the team

Or Buffalo giving up on Skinner after he had a 14 point season

[GioforPM]

You could argue Grubauer bounced back just in time.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You could argue Grubauer bounced back just in time.

Markstrom just had a Vezina caliber season a year ago. I’m not to worried about him because of his baby and perhaps a dark Sutter cloud amongst everyone.

Play him 2/3 of next season and the other 1/3 to Wolf. I think those two combined can give us a 48 win season (32/16).

I also am not a fan of trading someone before their new contract even kicks in (Huberdeau). That to me is just a slap in the face. We’ve already criticized him for his lackluster play but technically he hasn’t even been paid 10.5m yet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Markstrom just had a Vezina caliber season a year ago. I’m not to worried about him because of his baby and perhaps a dark Sutter cloud amongst everyone.

Play him 2/3 of next season and the other 1/3 to Wolf. I think those two combined can give us a 48 win season (32/16).

I also am not a fan of trading someone before their new contract even kicks in (Huberdeau). That to me is just a slap in the face. We’ve already criticized him for his lackluster play but technically he hasn’t even been paid 10.5m yet.

I think both those guys (a) are capable of bouncing back and (b) showed improvement at the end of the year.

Kadri actually doesn't have far to go points wise to bounce back. Effort/effectiveness wise, he does, but maybe he just got burned out.

Mangiapane is a question mark. But the fact he was injured actually causes some hope, though we went dow nthe "now he' will be back" story with Monahan.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You could argue Grubauer bounced back just in time.

Markstrom is older than Grubauer. The older goalies are, the less likely bounce backs. Very possible, but not something that should be relied upon.

Luckily, with Wolf, there's a good chance that Markstrom won't have to be heavily relied upon.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Markstrom is older than Grubauer. The older goalies are, the less likely bounce backs. Very possible, but not something that should be relied upon.

Luckily, with Wolf, there's a good chance that Markstrom won't have to be heavily relied upon.

They are two years apart. But if you don't look at Grubauer, look at, say Bob a couple years ago. I suspect Markstrom is like him, which isn't great but can be positive depending on the year.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Or Buffalo giving up on Skinner after he had a 14 point season

Or if Calgary had given up on Monahan after a 48 point season instead of keeping him around for another 2 seasons and trading him with a first.

Am I doing this right?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Does it have to be dumb to trade for these guys? I see Huberdeau for sure a buy low candidate for another team. Erik Karlsson was labeled as a contract nobody wants. His 100 points say he's moveable and maybe even valuable.

Markstrom probably bounces back to be a $6M goalie too.

IMO Kadri is the only contract we have that we are stuck with.

No one traded for Karlsson. Maybe Grier wanted too much but it is a hard contract to fit in. The teams that Huberdeau would go to and the teams with cap space to fit him are probably zero.

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Again, an outlier.

At the time they really had no choice but to run with him, although I haven't really looked at why he stumbled so badly.

But if someone had taken Pavelski off their hands at that time, Dallas would have had a decent amount of cap space to spend anyway.

But if you are suggesting that teams are lining up for a chance to give value for Huberdeau, Kadri and Markstrom, say so please.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting any of these guys are getting traded. Heck, even if the Flames were shopping Huberdeau before his 8 year extension kicked in that would be an awful look for the organization.

But it’s also a reach to act like their careers are over after one disappointing season where the organization was covered head to toe in toxicity.

The obvious play is to remove the coach, build a fresh culture, and make these relationships work. Huberdeau was over a point per game for 4 straight seasons before coming to Calgary. I don’t think it’s very likely he forgot how to play.

Markstrom was a vezina candidate one year ago. Kadri was a key cog on the cup winner.

It’s pretty shocking to hear how bad it got under Sutter (issues with management, equipment guys, and almost all of the players) and I think it’s pretty obvious that was a source for a lot of the pain of this season.

All people are pointing out is that there are a ton of instances of a player looking cooked under one coach only to be completely rejuvenated under a different one.