23/24 Flames

[camm13]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Zadorov is really inconsequential to it, he's a third pair D who's been awesome in that role.

Realistically, the guy you move out has to be Weegar to find a guy to play with Andersson. That trade is not likely to be out there. So you either continue to roll with Hanifin-Andersson ad nausuem, or you try to force Weegar-Andersson. The Panthers tried for force Weegar-Ekblad the same way, and I don't think it was the right choice then either.

Wth does Weegar need to be moved for Anderson to have a partner? For starters, Weegar can play both sides. Also, they don't need to be BOTH be on the first pairing. The team can afford having both on the TEAM.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Zadorov is really inconsequential to it, he's a third pair D who's been awesome in that role.

Realistically, the guy you move out has to be Weegar to find a guy to play with Andersson. That trade is not likely to be out there. So you either continue to roll with Hanifin-Andersson ad nausuem, or you try to force Weegar-Andersson. The Panthers tried for force Weegar-Ekblad the same way, and I don't think it was the right choice then either.

Not really though. Weegar and Andersson are the only d-men signed past next season, and neither contract is prohibitive to building a d-core around them, why would you want to move either of them.

The real question is what are the long term plans around Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, and Kylington.

Tanev is older and you already have Weegar and Andersson as RH shots...so unless he's taking a veteran like cheap deal to stay here then he can be moved.

Then you decide if any of Zadorov, Kylington, and Hanifin are the answer on the LH side and should be re-signed.

[Bunk]

I am on team rebuild (using good assets like Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Toffoli, Backlund) to stock picks and prospects, but I know this ownership won’t do it.

With that said, I think the roster is pretty good and with the right tweaks to find chemistry, more speed and youth, and new GM/Coach I could definitely see with lower expectations a true bounce back season.

It’s the usual pattern with this team, rarely a good season twice in a row, or two bad for that matter.

[soulchoice]

I believe Kylington is also a UFA after next year, so that may have to be considered. Even if he plays well, does he want to be in Calgary longer than he has to? Or would he want to go to a city that is more to his own lifestyle for the long term.

[traptor]

You have 3 2024 UFA forwards and 3 2024 UFA defence.

I think you need to move half of them this offseason, so 3 in total. Based around age/position, ideally that would be toffoli, backlund and tanev moved out.


Based around desire to stay derived from exit interviews that would be backlund, lindholm and tanev moving out.

Edot: didn't account for kylington but I think the point remains.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

You have 3 2024 UFA forwards and 3 2024 UFA defence.

I think you need to move half of them this offseason, so 3 in total. Based around age/position, ideally that would be toffoli, backlund and tanev moved out.


Based around desire to stay derived from exit interviews that would be backlund, lindholm and tanev moving out.

Edot: didn't account for kylington but I think the point remains.

What if “desire to stay” was about Sutter?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What if “desire to stay” was about Sutter?

Yeah and I think you can adjust whose moved out from that group of UFAs but I still think you need to move in from atleast half if them.

Flames already have 5 guys signed for 3+ years into their mid 30s for very sizable contracts.

I dont think we can afford to sign another 3 or more guys to contracts that go well into their 30s.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah and I think you can adjust whose moved out from that group of UFAs but I still think you need to move in from atleast half if them.

Flames already have 5 guys signed for 3+ years into their mid 30s for very sizable contracts.

I dont think we can afford to sign another 3 or more guys to contracts that go well into their 30s.

So don’t sign them for that long.

But seriously, I think you can sign Backlund reasonably now. Lindholm may want a payday, fine, if so trade him, but you’d better get a C back. Tanev is too injury riddled, so he can go (and he is in may lineup). Hanifin is young - keep him. Toffoli is better dealt at the TDL if you want to move him.

[boogerz]

This is the current team with an $83.5M cap and -0.439M in cap space. The only two-way contracts are Pelletier and Coronato.


Huberdeau ($10.5M) - Lindholm ($4.85M) - Dube ($2.3M)
Mangiapane ($5.8M) - Backlund ($5.35M) - Coleman ($4.9M)
Toffoli ($4.25M) - Kadri ($7.0M) - Coronato ($0.93M)
Pelletier ($0.86M) - Ruzicka ($0.76M) - Duehr ($0.825M)
??? (???)


Weegar ($6.25M) - Andersson ($4.55M)
Hanifin ($4.95M) - Tanev ($4.50M)
Kylington ($2.50M) - Zadorov ($3.75M)
Gilbert ($0.76M)


Markstrom ($6.0M)
Vladar ($2.2M)
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It's still a good and deep roster on paper, so I wouldn't change much until the new coach (Mitch Love?) has a chance to get a feel for the team.


I would:

• Sell high on Toffoli at the draft or during the off-season to secure picks/prospects, for cap-compliancy, and to free up cap space for the last roster spot or two.
• Re-sign Phillips to a two-way contract for league min (and $400k AHL salary) and give him a real shot in the NHL as the 11th forward
• Sign someone like Glendening or Bellemare to a one-year contract as the 13th forward, and to add a speedy, gritty, and veteran defensive presence

Depending on how the season goes and Love's feel on the team, then decide whether to liquidate assets (e.g. Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Backlund) at the trade deadline.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Kickazzflames

Once a GM is in place, we need to find out what the intentions are for Toffoli, Lindholm and Backlund. If any want out, this summer is the time to trade. We can't go another year where we are playing on the bubble, don't make any Trade deadline moves and lose all three for nothing, especially Lindholm.

This goes for the same on defense with Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov.

This is the Summer to re-tool if we are going to do it.

I think out of the group you mentioned Toffoli, Big Z, Hanifin and Tanev want to stay. I also think Backlund probably changes his tune once the new coach is announced.

Not sure on Lindholm though. He looks like he’s ready for a change and probably wants a big contract. He’s probably the guy you’d get the most in return for. So maybe it’s best that he leave. We’re not going to be able to afford all of the UFAs that come up in another year.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by boogerz

This is the current team with an $83.5M cap and -0.439M in cap space. The only two-way contracts are Pelletier and Coronato.


Huberdeau ($10.5M) - Lindholm ($4.85M) - Dube ($2.3M)
Mangiapane ($5.8M) - Backlund ($5.35M) - Coleman ($4.9M)
Toffoli ($4.25M) - Kadri ($7.0M) - Coronato ($0.93M)
Pelletier ($0.86M) - Ruzicka ($0.76M) - Duehr ($8.25M)
??? (???)


Weegar ($6.25M) - Andersson ($4.55M)
Hanifin ($4.95M) - Tanev ($4.50M)
Kylington ($2.50M) - Zadorov ($3.75M)
Gilbert ($0.76M)


Markstrom ($6.0M)
Vladar ($2.2M)
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It's still a good and deep roster on paper, so I wouldn't change much until the new coach (Mitch Love?) has a chance to get a feel for the team.


I would:

• Sell high on Toffoli at the draft or during the off-season to secure picks/prospects, for cap-compliancy, and to free up cap space for the last roster spot or two.
• Re-sign Phillips to a two-way contract for league min (and $400k AHL salary) and give him a real shot in the NHL as the 11th forward
• Sign someone like Glendening or Bellemare to a one-year contract as the 13th forward, and to add a speedy, gritty, and veteran defensive presence

Depending on how the season goes and Love's feel on the team, then decide whether to liquidate assets (e.g. Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Backlund) at the trade deadline.

Comments on that lineup.

Pretty solid defence. Huge unknown in net. Not a very scary forward group.

Personal opinion. I know it’s also a gamble but I would try hard to move Markstrom, bring Wolf up and sign a sniper to play with the top line.

After watching Wolf live I think that’s less of a gamble than running with Markstrom for another season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Depending on how the season goes and Love's feel on the team, then decide whether to liquidate assets (e.g. Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Backlund) at the trade deadline.

So, it the team is performing well and in a playoff spot at the trade deadline, you run with this team and try and make playoff magic, and then likely lose many of these players to UFA at season’s end?

I don’t think Calgary can afford to lose Lindholm and Hanifin for nothing. If not signed prior to the start of the season, they in particular need to be moved.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, it the team is performing well and in a playoff spot at the trade deadline, you run with this team and try and make playoff magic, and then likely lose many of these players to UFA at season’s end?

I don’t think Calgary can afford to lose Lindholm and Hanifin for nothing. If not signed prior to the start of the season, they in particular need to be moved.

You can move them. Or you can pretend you’re Boston or NJ this year and they are pending UFAs like Orlov or Meier on another team, except you don’t have to give up a first to get them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by traptor

You have 3 2024 UFA forwards and 3 2024 UFA defence.

I think you need to move half of them this offseason, so 3 in total. Based around age/position, ideally that would be toffoli, backlund and tanev moved out.


Based around desire to stay derived from exit interviews that would be backlund, lindholm and tanev moving out.

Edot: didn't account for kylington but I think the point remains.

Key to the off season after the hires.

I'd further break it down though. We have four key UFAs and two lesser UFAs (Backlund age, not impact).

They have to pick two and trade two of Toffoli, Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin.

They can't sign all four long term (and man that would be scary if they did anyway), and they can't just walk all four to free agency.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Key to the off season after the hires.

I'd further break it down though. We have four key UFAs and two lesser UFAs (Backlund age, not impact).

They have to pick two and trade two of Toffoli, Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin.

They can't sign all four long term (and man that would be scary if they did anyway), and they can't just walk all four to free agency.

Tanevs injury history would make him expendable but what value does he have on the trade market?

You keep Lindholm and Hanifin. Top 4 of Weegar Andersson Hanifin and Kylington.

Toffoli is interesting because he signed a relatively cap friendly deal in Montreal woukd he do the same here? Does keeping him clog up the right side with Coronato?

They also need to decide on Mangiapane is he a one year wonder.

No doubt whatever gm comes in will be dealing with a pile of ish.

[MacDaddy77]

Vladar is as good as gone. No way Flames can keep him and not promote Wolf. Running with Wolf/Vladar is too risky

[Strange Brew]

I see the UFA tiers as:

Lindholm, Hanifin - you need to make long term decisions and commitment or trade in the offseason.

Backlund, Tanev - important players, but you either need concession on term or dollars. Make your decision in the offseason.

Toffoli - right in the middle and kind of depends what happens with these other players

Other players:
Kylington - kind of no mans land here. No idea what's going on and whether either side would or should be interested in long term.
Zadorov - I don't see as long term piece. See how the season goes, trade him at deadline or let him go to UFA if team is doing well.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Vladar is as good as gone. No way Flames can keep him and not promote Wolf. Running with Wolf/Vladar is too risky

Definitely. Won't be a ton of interest in the guy, will be curious if another team sees something. Maybe he can be another Brossoit.

[Canada 02]

Vladar was 14-6-5; 33 of possible 50 points
I think a back up goalie getting 66% of points on a mediocre to bad team is a pretty good accomplishment. He could have performed better, and I think he will on a better team (here or elsewhere)

[Kickazzflames]

The big question is what if Lindholm and Backlund aren't up for extensions? That's a whole lot of center depth going out the door.