[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The correct decision was made today.

Darryl was a fantastic coach whom let the game get away from him and wasn't able to adapt to and connect with the new era of player. Call them soft all you want, but that's just the way it is. I said it all year.

Youth, speed, and skill trump all in today's game and Darryl refused to see it.

Sutter is a post-season coach. Playoff hockey is what Sutter is great at. History have shown that he and his teams have succeeded in the playoffs. However, Sutter pushes his team to play that hard grinding hockey 82-games going into the playoffs. It's a tough game to play and you need big bodies to do it. This is why a coach like Sutter can only last 3 years. By the 3rd year, everyone's pretty much tuned the guy out or hates playing his system. He didn't last long in San Jose and LA. I kind of expected the same with the Flames the second time around. Still a shock to see him go but at the same time it was either last season or the upcoming one that would seal his coaching coffin for good.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I wasn’t overly keen on Conroy as GM if Sutter was coach, but I think a Conroy/Love combo could be the right move. New-ish blood and ideas while still maintaining some corporate knowledge. Never been impressed with Muller, so I hope he isn’t retained.

[belsarius]

I am expecting a Craig Conroy as the new manager announcement in a day or two now. It just felt like Sutter had to go, but considering the history Conroy has with him, it makes sense to have Maloney be the bad guy and do the firing to let Craig come in clean.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The PP coach better be gone too

And, for the love of god, the goaltending coaches, too!!!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Conspiracy theory:

It wasn't Edwards that wanted to keep Sutter, but Treliving. Treliving threatened to quit if Daryl was fired, so he was shown the door.

That would be the ultimate twist seeing as the prevailing view it was Murray that basically hired Sutter for Tre

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I wasn’t overly keen on Conroy as GM if Sutter was coach, but I think a Conroy/Love combo could be the right move. New-ish blood and ideas while still maintaining some corporate knowledge. Never been impressed with Muller, so I hope he isn’t retained.

From the 23/24 Flames thread:

Originally Posted by prizefighterinferno

Promote Conroy to GM - positive personality, good relationships inside/outside of the org, seemingly a more progressive thinker re:roster construction and player evaluation.

Try to get some value for players that are unlikely to provide better future performance (especially relative to pay) than current production/perceived value. Specifically, Toffoli, Zadorov. Explore Hanifin trade in hockey deal, ideally for someone with history of above-expected finishing ability (i.e. Debrincat) or cost-effective relative to production (i.e. Konecny, who also has ties to the area). I like Coleman but if you can free up his 5 million you should explore that as well.

Target teams at draft that could be looking to retool (based on cycle or organizational philosophy). Since teams will be hesitant to give up early picks in this draft even for good players, focus on teams with multiple and/or later 1st rd picks to try to acquire a second first rounder.

Try to draft two of Barlow/Leonard/Wood/Cristall/Perrault/Heidt/Sandin-Pellika/Molendyk (depending on where they end up picking and who could be available between mid-teens and late 20s - would love to grab Wood and ASP but both seem to be risers. Would personally love the org to take a chance on Cristall).

Hire coach (Brunette? Love?) who can maximize a Kings-esque line-up with plenty of young, quick, hungry players that excel at transition offence but without any really elite offensive pieces other than perhaps a rejuvenated Huberdeau…now, with that said, Huberdeau hasn’t tended to be a true 5 on 5 driver. So fire Muller into the sun and get someone who knows how to run a modern powerplay (perhaps a behind the net-focussed 2-1-2?) that emphasizes seam creation through movement, one-timers and royal road passes. Get Huberdeau feasting in 5 on 4 situations again for goodness sake.

Decide if you’re going to be able to/want to retain Lindholm/Hanifin.

Give Backlund the C already.

Possible lineup with Lindy, Stecher re-signed but Hanifin, Toffoli, Vladar traded (separate deals) for Konecny and prospects/futures:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Pelletier-Kadri-Konecny
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Dube-Deuhr

Weegar-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Zadorov-Stecher

Wolf
Markstrom

Clear that the money doesn’t work to re-sign Lindholm AND make high-value additions through trade without further moves that subtract at least 2 of Kadri/Mang/Backlund/Coleman/Zadorov/Markstrom. D will also have some people squinting minus Hanifin but not sure paying that particular player 7-8 million a year is the best call (although you could certainly find worse investments…last year's version of Kadri, cough).

Tough spot for the new guy, but will be forced to rely on youth and internal development over the next while which I am personally somewhat excited for now that Darryl is gone. Will have to get creative if you want to add for a year or two until the cap goes up.

[Tacoman]

Conroy as GM, a young progressive coach like Mitch Love as coach, a new state of the art arena on the way and we become a much more desirable destination for players. It’s the right path.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Another gut punch Pat Steinberg saying he believes Sutter being the coach significantly impacted Tkachuks desire to leave more so than Johnny.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't imagine it took 17 days to come to this conclusion.

Makes me think they took 10 days to look at Conroy and Pascal, made a decision, and then got the choice's opinion on Sutter. When they agreed with Maloney on Sutter going, they fire the old coach so the new GM doesn't have that hanging over them as the first piece of business.

Wouldn't mund seeing them as co GM's

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't imagine it took 17 days to come to this conclusion.

Makes me think they took 10 days to look at Conroy and Pascal, made a decision, and then got the choice's opinion on Sutter. When they agreed with Maloney on Sutter going, they fire the old coach so the new GM doesn't have that hanging over them as the first piece of business.

God why am I a fan of this team? It's like I need to see the end of this movie, but it won't end, and its an awful movie. It's Groundhog Day but not funny at all.

You have the patience of a saint.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Another gut punch Pat Steinberg saying he believes Sutter being the coach significantly impacted Tkachuks desire to leave more so than Johnny.

That is too bad

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Another gut punch Pat Steinberg saying he believes Sutter being the coach significantly impacted Tkachuks desire to leave more so than Johnny.

That's a very selective quote to fit a narrative. His full comment (along with whoever joined him) was more this:

- Felt like Sutter was more of an impact (negatively) on Tkachuk's choice to leave then Johnny's, but he also felt he's not sure Sutter was a big driver for either. Said, Tkachuk was smart enough to understand, that when signing a long term deal anywhere, he was going to out last the coach, wherever he went so wasn't really sure Sutter played much of a role in his choice to leave.

[Manhattanboy]

I have mixed feelings about this.

I really liked having Darryl back behind the bench. It just seemed so right after the carousel of GG, Peters and Ward. Darryl just "looked like" the Flames coach. So experienced, so smart, so stubborn and such a hardass. I would put him up against any coach.

How do you go from Jack Adams to being fired in under a year?

Agree with everything that's been said however.

I hated the "take a s**t" presser and the "what number was he" comments.

Things have changed so much lately it seems. Maybe NHL locker rooms do need to be "safe spaces" to get the most out of players.

It's a sad day. I will always respect and admire Darryl.

Wish he could have completed the "unfinished business".

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That's a very selective quote to fit a narrative. His full comment (along with whoever joined him) was more this:

- Felt like Sutter was more of an impact (negatively) on Tkachuk's choice to leave then Johnny's, but he also felt he's not sure Sutter was a big driver for either. Said, Tkachuk was smart enough to understand, that when signing a long term deal anywhere, he was going to out last the coach, wherever he went so wasn't really sure Sutter played much of a role in his choice to leave.

Thanks for the full quote I haven't listened to anything other The Don speak just found the quote.

Still there was a issue between them it wasn't hard to see. Tkachuk never ever said a good or bad thing about Sutter he just deflected to the next question and Sutter throwing some shots his way during the preseason.

[Royle9]

This doesnt change the fact both Lindholm and Backlund were/are on the outs.
I'd need some commitment prior to the draft in terms of extensions etc before I start promoting captains and going into next season with them on the roster.

Far too valuable of assets to let walk into contract years with no plan.
Hopefully we find out soon if they were mad because of Sutter or if their desire to move on runs deeper.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by fotze2

God why am I a fan of this team? It's like I need to see the end of this movie, but it won't end, and its an awful movie. It's Groundhog Day but not funny at all.

You have the patience of a saint.

I don't see what's wrong the scenario Bingo speculates

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I am expecting a Craig Conroy as the new manager announcement in a day or two now. It just felt like Sutter had to go, but considering the history Conroy has with him, it makes sense to have Maloney be the bad guy and do the firing to let Craig come in clean.

I think it will be a couple weeks actually, they will let the dust settle. If I had to guess it will probably between round 2 and 3. My guess is sometime between May 15 and May 25.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Caught a bit of Francis and he said Friedman had said earlier that Sutter wasn't surprised by this and said "yeah it's probably time" or something like that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Another gut punch Pat Steinberg saying he believes Sutter being the coach significantly impacted Tkachuks desire to leave more so than Johnny.

Even if so, I still doubt they were in the top 5 reasons.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I was not offering an opinion one way or the other, I just know it's a key topic for a lot of people around here so wanted to highlight that question and subsequent answer from Maloney.

It's very likely completely innocent, but Maloney actually slipped up a bit in his answer. He talked a bit about how many conversations and how involved Murray is, and sort of trails off with "those who think that he is distant or uninvolved, are SADLY mistaken". This would imply that it's a negative ongoing issue- he likely meant "sorely" mistaken, and it's a common slip so I wouldnt ascribe more to it than that, but it was interesting considering the topic of conversation here is that ownership should butt out.

SADLY mistaken. Doesn't that mean that those who think that will be sad that they're mistaken? I think you read too much into that one. Sounded like a shot at those people and not what you hoped.