[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[HighLifeMan]

The correct decision was made today.

Darryl was a fantastic coach whom let the game get away from him and wasn't able to adapt to and connect with the new era of player. Call them soft all you want, but that's just the way it is. I said it all year.

Youth, speed, and skill trump all in today's game and Darryl refused to see it.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The assistants should be fired as well if we are getting a new GM and Coach we need them to bring their own vision and guys.

I have always hated how this organization likes to help with hiring assistant coaches, let the coach pick his guys.

A complete fresh start.

Maloney already said that will be up to the new GM and Head Coach.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Nazem. Kadri.

I wasn't impressed that Kadri's frustration led to him mailing in some performances down the stretch, but for roughly half the season, he was also routinely the best forward on the team.

Judging his performance as a whole over the season, I'd give him a B. Offensively, he met expectations. Didn't bring as much snarl as I hoped and had some bad games late in the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's not just effort in a pure physical sense. It's about mental focus and attention to detail. Huge issues for some of these players.

The message was always stick with the game plan and they did. Now some had defensive lapses and stuff for sure but overall I don't think details and executing what was asked was the issue.

Its going to be a big task but the next group of coaches probably need to study more and understand what made of these guys stars and how better to structure out style to get the most out of them.

You are not trading 10.5 million cap hit Huberdeau in the first season of a 8 year deal, so the next best thing instead of piling on the guy is figuring out how do we get him back to the position that made him great and playing north south hockey probably isn't going to work.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Playfair - 1 year - demoted
Keenan - 2 years - fired
B Sutter - 3 years - fired
Hartley - 4 years - fired
Gulutzan - 2 years - fired
Peters - 1.5 years - fired - external circumstances
Ward - 1 year - fired
D Sutter - 2.5 years - fired

9 coaches in what...15-16 years?

Lol what an org

That average is 2.125 years - so it is a bit below the league average of 2.4 years.

But also factors in the whole Peters/Ward debacle. If you could Peters/Ward as one coaching staff then it's 2.8 years per coach.

Which honestly is right in line with where most organizations that haven't won a cup in that time frame would find themselves.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

What a weird year.

Perhaps the most puzzling part for me was Darryl's strange overall approach. Last year, we heard time and time again from him how it was very important to find suitable roles for players. He referenced Gudbranson as an example and how you need to define a role that fits the player and isn't asking them to do things they're not good at/not able to do.

Turn around to this year and it just seems like he was constantly trying to jam players into roles and situations that were clearly not working. I just wonder if something personal happened in that first week or so between he and some players that just flipped a switch in him. They were doing well through 6 games or so and he just up and changed the lineup and kept slamming his head on that wall through the rest of the year.

[USflamesfan]

What if Kylington sat out all year because of Sutter? (personnel issues instead of personal) lol... we read it wrong

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

D Sutter
Playfair
Keenan
B Sutter
Hartley
Gulutzan
Peters
Ward
D Sutter

9 coaches in what...15-16 years?

Lol what an org

Please remind me again which franchise has had the same coach since 2006? How many have had 2 or less in that time (only expansion teams I would think).

Someone else pointed out a coach's span is about 2.4 years (not sure if that is factual), so that would put CGY just below average.

And, honestly if any one of them had got the team to the finals they might have lasted a bit longer. Peters is the exception - if not for issues completely outside of the team he may still be here also.

You can also laugh at CGY all you want about coaches - but 2 of those guys won the Jack Adams with the Flames.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by USflamesfan

What if Kylington sat out all year because of Sutter? (personnel issues instead of personal) lol... we read it wrong

That would be ridiculous. Unless you are being sarcastic.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Bull Case: Great team underperformed due to toxic environment created by a dinosaur coach. And a player's coach will get the best out of this team. The vezina caliber goalie returns to form, the team finds chemistry under a a more positive enviornment, the two franchise forwards have great seasons, and three special rookies on entry-level deals take the team over the top.


Bear Case: The inmates are now running the asylum. And not just any inmates. Two boat anchors who have done nothing to earn the respect of the organization.

In the bear case, the franchise is a clusterpuck. Tre bridged Tkachuk to keep 10-point per season frolik. Then Tkachuk takes advantage of the situation and Tre makes the worst trade in a generation. Then Tre signs two boat anchors to long-term contracts. And then Tre rides off into the sunset when its clear how ####ed the franchise is. Meanwhile, Sutter has to deal with 2 Prima donnas and then Tre's friend fires Sutter rather than address the boat anchor problem because no other team is willing to take on these boat-anchor contracts and it's untenable to buy them out.

The facts are:


-This is not a great team. This is a mediocre team that gets a chance to play a few playoff games every other season.


-We're stuck with Kadri and Huberdeau because they are unmovable. The silver lining is the guy who handed out those contracts is gone.


What we have before us is a mystery box. We don't know if it will be good or bad but what we have now is mehhhh. So, actually a mystery box has room for optimism. It could be anything, even a team that finishes 9th in the west. :P

[Mr.Coffee]

When you watch the games, what is the material difference in play between the younger players and the existing vets?

I'll wait, because there was little difference on most nights.

So to then not play them is egregious and detrimental to the team's performance which after game about 20 had uninspired, entitled play for the majority of games. Youth brings the energy. Flames had no energy.

Pretty straightforward and the reason Sutter was fired today. It was obvious then, it was obvious all year, and the decision to not make those changes was honestly just stupid and burned a season. Inexcusable.

There must be meritocracy. Must be.

[fotze2]

I know a fella who played for Sutter and Keenan and Tortorella. He could pick sutter up by his skull and throw him across the room. He said he is just so brutally sarcastic and negative 100% of the time that it was a terrible time in his life.

He's had a great career but I, as an old bastard am glad this old school horse#### is going to die. I'm so sick of this macho horsecrap, usually perpetuated by scrawny losers like myself.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by USflamesfan

What if Kylington sat out all year because of Sutter? (personnel issues instead of personal) lol... we read it wrong

I have thought the exact same thing. But you know we will hear about tough guys questioning his manhood.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The correct decision was made today.

Darryl was a fantastic coach whom let the game get away from him and wasn't able to adapt to and connect with the new era of player. Call them soft all you want, but that's just the way it is. I said it all year.

Youth, speed, and skill trump all in today's game and Darryl refused to see it.

To me the most frustrating part is that it's not that Darryl wasn't able to adapt, it's more that it feels like he refused to adapt.

His brain and knowledge of the systems side of the game are still elite IMO.

It was the smaller changes he seemed to refuse to make, almost to the point of seeming petty at times.

His player usage, practicing the OT & PP, relying more on the youth....none of those are big changes. Hell most of his success came with young teams (04 in Calgary and the two Kings cup teams) but he just really seemed dead set on "my way or the highway" and it's what led to a lot of tension and really both him and Treliving not having jobs right now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That average is 2.125 years - so it is a bit below the league average of 2.4 years.

But also factors in the whole Peters/Ward debacle. If you could Peters/Ward as one coaching staff then it's 2.8 years per coach.

Which honestly is right in line with where most organizations that haven't won a cup in that time frame would find themselves.

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Please remind me again which franchise has had the same coach since 2006? How many have had 2 or less in that time (only expansion teams I would think).

Someone else pointed out a coach's span is about 2.4 years (not sure if that is factual), so that would put CGY just below average.

And, honestly if any one of them had got the team to the finals they might have lasted a bit longer. Peters is the exception - if not for issues completely outside of the team he may still be here also.

You can also laugh at CGY all you want about coaches - but 2 of those guys won the Jack Adams with the Flames.

OK sure, now look at the names on that list.

A whole bunch of has been or never were.

Just a brutal organization for hiring head coaches.

It's worse than this list too. Goes back 30+ years, because other than Darryl none of the head coaches we've hired in the last 3 decades have ever went on to have success in the NHL level after being hired ad fired by the Flames.

[Bonded]

Yeah, anyone who thinks the players are running the asylum probably haven't worked under a truly toxic boss. It is terrible and makes you hate your day to day working life. This isn't an unknown with him either. I think Dustin Brown wanted to kill him

[skcli]

Sutter was okay as an old fashion coach but failed as a leader for the team. His casual comments such as “he went to the washroom” rub people in the wrong way. His interpersonal skills are totally missing.

He can go back to his farm to breed horses. I wish him all the best.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I just saw on twitter that they said we never practiced the power play once the entire season.

I am truly at a loss for words with Darryl and this season, if these things are true. He is demanding but he was a coach who matched lines and created good practice habits that would carry over to games. What the heck was going on.

[mile]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me the most frustrating part is that it's not that Darryl wasn't able to adapt, it's more that it feels like he refused to adapt.

His brain and knowledge of the systems side of the game are still elite IMO.

It was the smaller changes he seemed to refuse to make, almost to the point of seeming petty at times.

His player usage, practicing the OT & PP, relying more on the youth....none of those are big changes. Hell most of his success came with young teams (04 in Calgary and the two Kings cup teams) but he just really seemed dead set on "my way or the highway" and it's what led to a lot of tension and really both him and Treliving not having jobs right now.

Especially odd considering how young players are more likely to buy in and listen to him than veteran players

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I just saw on twitter that they said we never practiced the power play once the entire season.

I am truly at a loss for words with Darryl and this season, if these things are true. He is demanding but he was a coach who matched lines and created good practice habits that would carry over to games. What the heck was going on.

wait... what?
Share this please... I cant even fathom that being a reality.